Hey teitoku! I'm Jamie from FANDOM's Community Development team! Not sure if we never asked you if you are interested in turning on the Discussions feature for this community, and migrating the Threaded Forums across as well.
In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here.
For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.
If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions and Forums will be sunsetted as a feature, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.
Feel free to have an open discussion with your community about this, and I'm available for any questions you might have. Have a good one!
Hi, apologies with the delay in response. We just went through a busy time with an event that happens within the game involved. Unfortunately I cannot speak on behalf of the KC wikia admins/staff but I have sought opinions from a few admins/staff with regards to this matter. Here are some of our main concerns:
How long do we have to be able to migrate from forums to discussions especially if we have both extensions/features running side-by-side.
How many people will there be to assist us with this process or are we doing this ourselves? If we are doing this ourselves, will the appropriate permissions to enable us to convert old formats from one to another be offered? How will this work out?
Are we able to "pin" messages similarly like how reddit works?
Are we able to retain wikicode capability on the discussions because there are several old forum threads which has contains wikicode and without it we would lose all those features. If we are unable to make use of wikicode on discussions, can we delay the implementation until such features are available before we can then migrate?
Please note that these concerns are inexhaustive as I am personally seeing this is a major overhaul in how KC wikia operates currently.
There is no "pin" or highlight replecement tool aviable right now, but we know that it is one of the things the community wants very much.
If a post had wikitext in it before it got migrated (i.e. templates were used), that post will retain all that when it is migrated to Discussions, meaning it will look the same. But new posts can't be made that way. And if old migrated posts are edited, they will lose their formatting too, since the Discussions editor doesn't support such formatting features.
You can check out this: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Discussions_FAQ#Features_and_functionality
As we move forward we plan to have wiki videos in many communities, with Kancolle wiki being a candidate for videos. If you are interested in which video types we might use you can find some great examples in this blog post. We are working on several ways to involve users in the video creation and script writing process. If we start producing videos we may reach out to you, other admins, and users if we think you can be involved in the production. At that point we will provide further information.
Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Springteufel (talk) 15:04, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that Kancolle has the ships Z1 LeberechtMaass and Z3 Max Schultz are part of the game but not Z2 Georg Thiele or Z4 Richard Beitzen, Do you think we could ask the game dev's to consider implamenting these ships to the game. I have also provided the links to the wikipedia pages of the aforementioned ships below.
No, asking the devs is out of the question on several reasons:
Technically we don't exist. The game was intended for domestic Japanese players not for those living outside of Japan regardless if they are Japanese or not. Regardless if they are aware of our existence or not, there is no need to contact them to prove this point.
We also don't necessarily represent the foreign community on KC wikia. Even if we do it would only cause unnecessary commotion such as for instance there will be players wanting Tirpitz or even the rest of Queen Elizabeth-class, Vittorio Veneto-class, Iowa-class ships for starters.
There is a chance that other players may have asked similar questions before but it is totally up to the devs to decide. Right now, portions of the DMM forum portal in regards to KC are inaccessible to some of us foreigners even if we can speak Japanese.
Also there has been several bootlegged versions of KC which vary slightly in either wording and/or contents but the UI is very much similar to KC. Here is one Japanese blog entry discussing about the clones/bootlegs that resembles close to KC. Many of those probably no longer exist but that doesn't stop one from re-creating KC and localising into their own tastes simply by manipulating game data that can be obtained fairly easily.
Last but not least, I want to also point out this very particular case with a game that was inspired by Kancolle (started as bootleg/clone) but later on created a new mechanic which some fans claimed was a copy that was from this game into the official Kancolle game. The name of the game is called Warship Girls. Fans from both sides (KC and Warship Girls) have clashed with each other in the past over the same issues that KC the franchise faces against all these inspirations
Those Tutorial: pages are actually very old pages that has a few new content that has been added since. I have been wanting to overhaul those Tutorial pages but it is a huge undertaking with little merit (usually people end up complaining on all levels) and so instead it has been left as is.
However you are right in terms of requiring JST for registration process, that is also in addition to using region cookie/cookie hack.
I see, too bad that's gonna be a problem for the newbies especially those that don't know how technical terms are meant for and how they are done. Tutorial page is actually flooded with questions for proxies, error, and DMM issues. I'm handling the Shop/Purchasing questions since I am cashing myself.
There is a page known as Tutorial: Troubleshooting where I have spent a great deal of time trying to help users before collating and creating a flowchart on how to troubleshoot as well as offering a basic networking article in one of my blog entries. It seemed like everybody virtually ignored that simple flowchart and am unable to think of otherwise for themselves. I gave up in the end helping them because if one cannot even help themselves to read up on technical stuff they're most likely unsuitable to be playing this game in the first place.
Thing is, this is a wiki for describing the game and not about network troubleshooting 101 or computing hope 101. There are guides and stuff provided there as well as further hints. If one doesn't read those then I wonder what merit are there to offer a hand?
As with the way this game is progressing, one needs to understand technical terms not only barred by a language barrier (Japanese) but also the complex mechanics that lies beneath all this. If one cannot even understand articles written in English then how is one able to help themselves with this very diverse yet complex game?
Yeah I've visited that page when I was first joining after waiting the lottery for 1 year. I'm pretty much derped because although the complexity with the mechanics and computer networking, everything is almost already there. The other problems are self-solved and self-explanatory. You really nailed it when describing those people needing too much spoonfeed when the Wikia or the 'online encyclopedia' has it all, from the basics, to the advanced, and even archives. They just don't know how to check.
You would've even scorn those people suddenly going inside the Kancolle Territory and ask 'what anime' hahaha. Seriously this guys.
TBH, the language barrier 'was supposed to be' a gap for me, but iirc, I've tried playing PSP Naruto games that are pure japanese and tried pressing everything to understand it, from the japanese signs, to their symbolic meanings, and other ways that I could remember: for ex are the poking lines of a japanese letter.
And honestly, this Wikia is a godsend to me, even though I could pretty much get the gist of the game, nothing beats it when everything has it detailed and information-packed. Truly my gratitude to you guys xD
Hi ! I just wanna ask if you're willing to teach me some templates fit for holding images along with the Shipbattlecard kai. I'm trying to do a table where it shows a certain shipgirl along with it's stat(on numbers), equipment(itemstack) used per event map. Sorry but I suck at this. XD
What you could do is make a duplicate copy of the template and then add in custom colours yourself. Alternatively, it should also be possible to have a template set to accommodate custom colours (similar to Template:MultiTweet for instance).
Or is there another way of containing large amounts of codes per tab without compromising the server to go for internal errors? Like how Admiral Mikado's containing? I checked his codes and even though it is locked for editing, it seems they are contained by some sort of tab containers.
Anyway you could check my tables and I got the internal errors after editing the DD Table located on Fleet Tab.
What Mikado is using are Tab view alongside Tabber.
Basically, instead of how you have HQ, Fleet, Equipment, and Event List using Tabber (which doesn't requires creating separate pages), you use Tab view and so each of those tabs on the first row appears as separate tabs. They also inherently needs to be separate pages, e.g. if you want to split off "Fleet" into its own tab for Tab View you will need to create a new page under your profile page named "Fleet" or whatever and so it becomes User:GloriousFin/Fleet instead and you use tab view for that one page.
Do note however that if you follow that example as is you may end up with just one tab for Tab View and that is not compatible with tabber, and vice versa. I.e. you end up with either the "Fleet" tab on its own section on your profile page which would either be on top or bottom of your profile page depending on how you code it. Ultimately you could address the issue by either having the rest of the individual tabbers (on the first row that is) be made into separate pages and then use Tab View, or alternatively "group" certain tabs into one page and have it as one tab under Tab View similar to my profile page.
The DD table under your fleet tab appears to be ok.
Ok I have deleted those redirects and double checked your profile page. All seems to be well from my end. At least you have corrected those issues (most of it) by yourself which is very nice I must admit!
You should hang around in chat. There are places within it that I am around more frequently and/or other fairly knowledgeable people around (though mainly in one particular channel however). Other than that, you should have asked if in doubt or you needed more faster response. At least that was how I somewhat approached those issues myself.
Ah that's fine after all everyone has their own daily routines. Plus I'm not really not hanging around too much on Wikia unless I have some informations that I need to check and program. XD I usually play a lot more and do some other works. But it's great to be advised by one of the admins so I'll check it out. I just hope I won't be left out.