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  • IJN have the Type-3 shell for the anti-installation purposes (as testified from bombardment of Henderson Field), but does USN have anything that could devastate installation units? Did they have anything similar to the Type-3 shells for bombardment purposes or did they rely on aircraft bombings?

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    • They didn't have a shell dedicated for installations, unless the game goes off the wall and we see the Mark 23 Nuclear Shell introduced.

      Most of the anti-installation weapons the USN had, outside of the typical aircraft bomb, came in the form of rockets. Rocket artillery was commonly used on destroyers, and was even tested on a submarine late in the war. The USN also had the KGW-1, a reverse engineered German V-1 rocket that was going to be used on aircraft carriers for the cancelled Operation Downfall. Then there were the High Velocity Aircraft Rockets(HVAR), unguided rockets that were equipped to nearly every plane in the service of the USN and USAAF by wars end.  

      On that note, Kadokawa could look into the Germans' Rochling Shells if they wanted. I don't think they were ever designed for naval use, but it is a good Axis alternative if they wanted another anti-installation weapon. 

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    • The USN have dedicated land bombardment ships, as well as destroyer-mounted rocket artilleries, similar to the WG42 in-game. They saw actions in D-Day and other landing operations. Also, with Super-Heavy Shells, those 16-inch guns on battleships can do the job just fine as well. The Americans land-based heavy bombers can also carry a modified version of the Tallboy, a British 12000-pound bomb, for anti-installation purposes.

      In the very late stage of the war, the USN also introduced "Tiny Tim", a large aircraft-launched rocket that was originally thought to be an anti-ship rocket, but finished as a bunker buster. Tim saw limited service in the battle of Okinawa, but became the basis of later, more advanced aerial rockets and missiles.

      As for the 5-inch HVAR aerial rockets, they don't pack enough power to destroy bunkers, but are very popular and effective against smaller land-based targets like tanks, unarmored buildings, trenches, etc.


      And don't even think about introducing nukes, remember that Japan is still the only country ever to be bombed by nuclear weapons in actual combat. If KDKW have problems introducing Kamikazes and Kaitens, it would be even less possible for nukes to be introduced.

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    • Vcharng wrote: The USN have dedicated land bombardment ships
      Land bombardment ships? How did they work anyway?
      Vcharng wrote:
      Also, with Super-Heavy Shells, those 16-inch guns on battleships can do the job just fine as well.
      Hmm, that makes me wonder, would the Type 0 HE shell work as well, or does it have to be as heavy as Iowa's shells or more?
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Vcharng wrote: The USN have dedicated land bombardment ships
      Land bombardment ships? How did they work anyway?
      Vcharng wrote:
      Also, with Super-Heavy Shells, those 16-inch guns on battleships can do the job just fine as well.
      Hmm, that makes me wonder, would the Type 0 HE shell work as well, or does it have to be as heavy as Iowa's shells or more?

      AFAIK they are small ships that carries a full load of rocket launchers. 

      Wiki "LSM(R)-188)", there are quite some info there.


      Japanese shells of the same caliber is a lot lighter than their US counterpart, or rather, the US Navy are using extremely heavy shells for each caliber of guns. You may need Yamato's 46cm Type 0 HE shell to match the effect of the American 16-inch SHS effect.

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  • Just a quick question, but does the Fletcher and Gearing-class destroyers have better AA armaments than Akizuki-class destroyers by any chance?

    That too, I'd like to know if they have any noteworthy difference as well.

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    • Actually, the fuses were introduced in late 1942, and became a common ammonition for front line ships by the middle of 1944(When the USA's industry was going on overdrive). That is what I read in Navweapons.com anyways, it's the source I use for naval weponary. I was wrong about the VT fuses with the Bofors though, got them mixed up with the 3"/50 AA guns. 

      Also, equipment in this game does take accessories into account, which is most highlighted in Yamato's 46cm cannons. Their AA stat is incredibly high compared to any other gun like it, mainly do to being the only BB guns that had a designated AA shell with the Sankaidans.

      As for in-game stats if a USN DD is introduced, well, it's a tricky thing. Real world performance doesn't seem to be the end all factor that determines a ship's qaulities in KC. All you got to do is look at Prinz Eugene and how in Kai form, she is almost as powerful as Choukai is in Kai Ni when it comes to attack power. In reality, Prinz had two less gun barrels and only had around twelve torpedo tubes compared to a Takao class' sixteen(Not to mention having less powerful torpedoes the IJN had too).  

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      Actually, the fuses were introduced in late 1942, and became a common ammonition for front line ships by the middle of 1944(When the USA's industry was going on overdrive). That is what I read in Navweapons.com anyways, it's the source I use for naval weponary. I was wrong about the VT fuses with the Bofors though, got them mixed up with the 3"/50 AA guns. 

      Also, equipment in this game does take accessories into account, which is most highlighted in Yamato's 46cm cannons. Their AA stat is incredibly high compared to any other gun like it, mainly do to being the only BB guns that had a designated AA shell with the Sankaidans.

      As for in-game stats if a USN DD is introduced, well, it's a tricky thing. Real world performance doesn't seem to be the end all factor that determines a ship's qaulities in KC. All you got to do is look at Prinz Eugene and how in Kai form, she is almost as powerful as Choukai is in Kai Ni when it comes to attack power. In reality, Prinz had two less gun barrels and only had around twelve torpedo tubes compared to a Takao class' sixteen(Not to mention having less powerful torpedoes the IJN had too).  

      The problem is that proximity fuze don't necessarily come with 5"/38 DP or Fletcher herself, instead the devs would probably use AACI system to simulate the effect (along with radar assisted concentrated firing doctrine), so I would still suggest that we take proximity fuze out of the picture when predicting what their stats would look like.

      And as far as I know, the earliest naval deployment of the proximity fuze was in late 1943, and the US had few applications in Pacific against non-kamikaze planes. It didn't play much role in the Battle of Leyte Gulf in late-1944 as well. While it was present in the earlier Battle of the Philippines Sea, it didn't have much chance to perform, as very few IJN planes survived far enough to face AA fire. Some data states that in the Philippine Sea, only about 20% AA shells are VT-fuzed.

      As for Eugen's case, I would say it's a way to simulate accuracy issues, as only using in-game accuracy bonus sometimes don't grant the desired effect.

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  • before the split, 幻萌 is the dev, and 派趣 was the distributor of the game. The announcement i losted was issued by 派趣. After the split, 幻萌 operate the game themselves and dub it as Taiwanese version, while 派趣 continue to operate and develop the version they have in hand. In the announcement, 派趣 accuse 幻萌 for refuse to follow government order and lead to split in opinion, and blame them for unilaterally scrap the contract. (Thus you can see the renaming of the game's Chinese side server were done shortly after the split by 派趣 themselves)

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    • Ah, so that's the case.

      Thanks for the info. BTW, so it's Warship Girls and not Battleship Girls?

      As a Chinese language user, you must know how hard it is to distinguish "battleship" from "warship" in Chinese languages.

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    • International players of that game call it Warship Girls and their official account seem to follow the trend.

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  • Vcharng wrote:
    In my country, there are far too many sympathizers of the imperialists, who recently gone wild, wanting KC to be an IJN propaganda, being all nostalgic to Japanese rule, and hoping that the Japanese will return and rule the country again.
    A former Japanese colony actually have sympathizers who really wished the return of their imperialism? Granted, I know that pretty much every nation have their shares of broken pedestals (mine included, so much for democracy indeed...), but one that is great enough for some to reconsider Imperial Japan is an extraordinary one.

    As for Japan ruling your nation again, I'd tell those people that such a thought is pretty much rubbish now that Japan is basically is in no condition to do so anymore, among other things. Such as PRC getting fed up with North Korea and could defeat them easily and take their land as their own but would rather support the reunification South Korea instead (in a bid of pragmatism).

    Anyway, can you elaborate a bit on this here? Because it's a bit off topic in that thread.

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    • Oh my god, this is gonna be veeeeery lengthy.

      Let's.... start with some background knowledge. I'm from Taiwan, occupied by Japan from 1895 to 1945. Taiwan was returned to the Republic of China after Japan's surrender. But in 1949, ROC lost a civil war, and chose to retreat to Taiwan (instead of Hainan Island). In around 1970~1980s, the People's Republic of China (communist China) began to gain international recognization.

      Taiwan is formed by four major demographic groups: benshengren, waishengren, native Taiwanese, and other immigrants. They will be explained later.

      Taiwan was first ruled by native Taiwanese people, then by Dutch EIC, briefly by Spanish, and then, the Ming dynasty of China, and subsequently, its successor, Qing dynasty. During the Qing dynasty, lots of immigrants from southeastern China came to Taiwan, and became the first group of ethnicly Chinese people here.

      Then, in 1895, when Qing lost the first Sino-Japanese war, Taiwan was given to Japan, which marks the beginning of the Japanese rule, until 1945. After 1945, the ROC government brought another group of Chinese immigrants to Taiwan (especially during and directly after its defeat in 1949). Now, there are two groups of Chinese immigrants in Taiwan, and they started to diverse.

      The first group, that is, the decedents of those who came during the Qing dynasty, became known as benshengren (本省人, lit. "people who belongs to this province"), and those who came after 1945, waishengren (外省人, lit. "people who came from other provinces") Currently, benshengren takes about 75~80% of the population, waishengren around 10~15%, and the rest are natives and others.

      Now, during, and directly after, the Japanese rule, the Taiwanese people then (that is, excluding who will later become waishengren, as they are still in China) generally still consider themselves as Chinese. This can be proven from the Yoizuki Incident in late-1945, where Taiwanese ex-soldiers who were conscripted by Japan argued that they belong to the winning side of the war (Allied/ China), so they should not be transported with other Japanese soldiers on their way home.

      But then things start to change. In 1947, the Feburary 28 incident erupted in Taiwan, causing tensions between the waishengren-dominated government and the benshengren civilians. Furthermore, the ROC government established a series of policies that, in terms of currency and land policies, robbed the originally rich people and land owners, in order to settle ROC soldiers retreated from mainland China. Now, these ex-rich and ex-land owners were those who gained success under Japanese rule, so it's not incomprehensible that these people started to miss Japanese rule, and of course, they are all benshengren.

      As time goes by, the nolstagia for Japanese rule gradually infected the whole benshengren population (remember, that means 75~80% of Taiwanese population), with the help of martial law by the ROC government that kinda reminded benshengren of the Japanese rule during WWII. With the PRC becoming recognized worldwide, they started to doubt their identity as Chinese, and started to formulate a thought of establishing a Republic of Taiwan instead. This is later known as the Taiwanese independence movement.

      The martial law was lifted in late 1980s, and the restriction of formulating new political parties are lifted as well. These people formulated a number of new parties against the long ruling party, the nationalists, or KMT.

      In 1995, on the first democratic presidential election, the candidate from KMT was elected, he's name is Lee Denghuay (李登輝, with a Japanese name 岩里政男, Iwasato Masao). He is later known as the "Father of Taiwanese independence Movement", as he made KMT to fall apart, established the first solid pro-independence organizations, and directly caused a pro-indipendence party, known as DPP, to come to power in 2000. In a way, you can say Lee betrayed KMT.

      After eight years in power, the DPP fell out of the office in 2008, after a corruption scandal. And KMT came back into power for the next eight years. But during this period (2008~2016), KMT began to bring the nation into a closer relationship with PRC, in order to acquire economic benefits and better international support. This have triggered very fierce reaction in the benshengren group, and they began to radicalize in 2011-2013.

      I will give two examples, on before, and one after, the benshengren radicalization:

      1. "The Ai-Nori incident"

      In 2007, a Japanese TV show that features travel and dating called Ai-Nori, came to Taiwan. As a former colonizer, the crew randomly picked a Taiwanese resident to ask her of her opinions about Japanese rule, she was unfortunately one of the sympathizers. When this episode aired in Japan, it faced fierce protest from Taiwanese students who were studying in Japan. The interview was cut when the episode was aired in Taiwan later.

      2. ChthoniC's "Kou Gun

      "Kou Gun" (lit. "the Imperial Army", the most positive way in Chinese and Japanese to describe Japanese Armed Forces before 1945) was a 2011 single from a Taiwanese band called "ChthoniC", who is extremely nostalgic to Japanese rule. It describes, from the band's view, the life of a Taiwanese who was conscripted by the Japanese during WWII. This song became increasingly popular around 2013-2014

      Part of its lyrics can be roughly translated as such:

      Far away the seagulls flew

      We went overseas as they guide us to

      The shining ray that the Rising Sun threw

      Represents the ambition our men brew

      It went uniforms and fleshes through

      Above the spirits the bloodied badges stood

      With the clouds of white, and sky of blue

      Standing in our minds, the banner of war should bloom. 


      Let me know if you have further questions, I try to explain as much as I can.

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    • I see, That explains quite a lot there. that said, I have some more questions:

      1. Is your homeland the oldest colony of Imperial Japan? Are there any older colonies under the Japanese rule that you know of?
      2. Can you elaborate on the Japanese rule in your homeland back then? I recall that Taiwan was spared from much of the dark events from the Second Sino-Japanese War, but not much beyond that.
      3. I recall I had read that some of the Taiwanese had compared the Japanese to dogs and the "waishengren" people as pigs due to some brainwashing propaganda and oppressive rule by KMT somewhere in "The Chinese in America"... oh, wait, that was related to the 228 Incident, isn't it?

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      I see, That explains quite a lot there. that said, I have some more questions:

      1. Is your homeland the oldest colony of Imperial Japan? Are there any older colonies under the Japanese rule that you know of?
      2. Can you elaborate on the Japanese rule in your homeland back then? I recall that Taiwan was spared from much of the dark events from the Second Sino-Japanese War, but not much beyond that.
      3. I recall I had read that some of the Taiwanese had compared the Japanese to dogs and the "waishengren" people as pigs due to some brainwashing propaganda and oppressive rule by KMT somewhere in "The Chinese in America"... oh, wait, that was related to the 228 Incident, isn't it?

      1. I'm not so sure, but at least, if Okinawa (Ryukyu) counts, they are colonized earlier, and stayed as Japanese territory.

      2. The Japanese rule in Taiwan can be roughly divided into three stages, the invasion, the colonization, and the Japanization. During the invasion, the Japanese rulers were very brutal. For example, they implemented "retaliatory suppression" toward opposition activities (that is, for every Japanese killed by opposition, around 10 Taiwanese, opposition or not, will be executed). Later, as opposition activity subsided, they colonized Taiwan with near-purely financial view. They built quite a lot of infrastructure, in order to develop Taiwan, and give rise to its productivity. Last, when the war drew close, they started to make Taiwan really part of Japan. They teach Taiwanese people Japanese language, as well as telling them that they are Japanese.

      Was Taiwan spared from much of the dark events of the Second Sino-Japanese War? Yes, because Taiwan was already under Japanese rule for quite a while by then, so not much hostility between Taiwan and Japan were still present. This is also part of the reason why some benshengren consider themselves as Japanese over Chinese.

      3. It should be reminded that in Chinese, it is very common to use "pig" or "dog" to insult others. So comparing some one to pigs or dogs actually doesn't mean much. It's just a very general way of insult.

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    • soo... that how it is... thank you.

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  • So there's quite a few question I need to ask...

    • Has Kitakami and Ooi were ever been equipped with Type 93 Torpedoes? I know that quintuple launchers were historically exclusive to Shimakaze, but still...
    • What's the difference between a Shoukaku-class aircraft carrier with an Essex-class aircraft carrier? How would they fare against each other in one-to-one engagement with equally tiered aircrafts?
    • You had mentioned at one point that U-511 was nerfed a bit in Kancolle... how exactly she was nerfed in-game anyway?
    • I have heard that the US Navy had basically dismissed gun calibers beyond 16 inches for and that they have the best AP shells for Iowa-class battleships, can you could elaborate on that?
    • And finally, has there any kind of planned upgrade or service record that we could base Kasumi's Kai Ni from? What are the odds of her getting a preemptive torpedo strike?
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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      So do they have any noteworthy similarities? Airplanes aside, does Shoukaku and Zuikaku's second remodels bring their performance anywhere close to the Essex-class carriers?
      Well... Shoukaku K2/K2A was almost entirely fictional, you know, so it is hard to say if they have similarities...
      Sorry if I got that one mixed up, but well, I'm curious about when you mentioned the similarities between Shoukaku-class and Essex-class as in the real life counterpart.
      Vcharng wrote:
      OP Rei-Go was a counterattack against the Mindoro Landing. The IJN sent six DDs, Ooyodo and Ashigara, and sunk a transport ship, a few PTs, and damaged the airfield nearby, while losing Kiyoshimo.
      Hmm, does that mean we could expect anti-PT armaments from Kasumi or something like that?
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      So do they have any noteworthy similarities? Airplanes aside, does Shoukaku and Zuikaku's second remodels bring their performance anywhere close to the Essex-class carriers?
      Well... Shoukaku K2/K2A was almost entirely fictional, you know, so it is hard to say if they have similarities...
      Sorry if I got that one mixed up, but well, I'm curious about when you mentioned the similarities between Shoukaku-class and Essex-class as in the real life counterpart.
      Vcharng wrote:
      OP Rei-Go was a counterattack against the Mindoro Landing. The IJN sent six DDs, Ooyodo and Ashigara, and sunk a transport ship, a few PTs, and damaged the airfield nearby, while losing Kiyoshimo.
      Hmm, does that mean we could expect anti-PT armaments from Kasumi or something like that?

      Similarity between Shoukaku and Essex in real life? Hmm...Not much. Essex was actually one era later than Shoukaku, while Yorktown carried much more similarity with Shoukaku, as in design, era, capacity, and role.

      If we really have to find some non-futile similarities between Shoukaku and Essex, it probably would be the fact that they were the product of the same strategic and tactical doctrines. If you compare them with British carriers of the same era, such as Illustrious or subsequent Implacable, you can see that Essex and Shoukaku both emphasizes aviation capability and range over survivability. It may not sound like a big deal now, but in 1940s, when the age of battleships and heavily armored ships were not so far away, it was very remarkable for someone to argue mobility and attacking power over defense.


      As for Kasumi K2.... uhh, we don't have such a thing as a specialized anti-PT armament, and I don't quite think they would introduce such a new category of armaments for Kasumi. However, I think we can hope for a new accuracy-boosting gun armament coming with Kasumi K2, since 12.7cm Model B K2 don't have an accuracy boost. Though it is still possible that they would simply give a 12.7 Model B K2.....

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  • Good morning/afternoon/night whatever~  I guess you know alot about the AACI so may I ask you something about it? (Sorry I'm noob in reading those thing XD)

    So from what I read (wikia), every bomber will assign randomly to enemy and for a certain chance either porpotional or fixed or both (anti air) will occur, and AACI effect take place after that two phase ended right?

    For fixed anti air defense, so did the fleet have shared AA value from equipment bonus (or just one)? and I don't get it about the calculation of Ship bonus on fleet AA (is the equipment modifier only take the highest one or all slot stack together ?)

    And also from what I read (Equipment AA) what's the value of equipment upgrade (star) if I never upgrade it? (Is it same as equipment level?)

    And also what's the means of that (...) floor at bottom of those formula? This I really can't understand :P

    Thanks in advance and also sorry if these thing annoyed you :P

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    • @TTK lol calculation are done per slot so you won't do 36*3 in your calculation ..

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    • ok I will be more careful next time, thanks :3

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  • I appreciate you taking your time explaining your view and all, but please keep the game update threads to in-game stuffs only. I'll let some off topic replies slide, but if you have a need to continue this discussion, you should open a new thread elsewhere in this forum to move the discussion elsewhere.

    And yes, there are other mods and admins who wouldn't be as polite about this as I do. Admiral Mikado in particular would point his banhammer the one time a certain off-topic discussion (about kamikaze pilots) broke off.

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    • I know, sir.

      It's not that much of a big deal, so I'll just let the topic die out.

      That is, if the other party would stop as well, though. He is a polite person so I believe this wouldn't be a problem for him.

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