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    The Spring 2017 Event is starting soon! Start Preparing your Resources Admirals!
    Event incoming 2017 spring event

    Event Information

    • Event Details:
      • Official Title: 出撃!北東方面 第五艦隊
      • Unofficially titled: Sortie! 5th Fleet to the Northeast
      • Starting Date: May 2nd, 2017
      • Duration: 20 Days
      • Scale: Medium Scale
    • Limited-time Event Maps
      • Number of Maps: 5 maps
        • Main Operation : 3 Maps
        • Extra Operation : 2 Maps

    Time until Event maintenance starts

    Time until maintenance starts: Time until maintenance ends:

    Maintenance start date and time: May 2 2017 11:00
    Expected maintenance end date and time: May 2 2017 22:00
    Actual maintenance end date and time: May 2 2017 23:40 (?)

    Confirmed Mechanics

    Possible Mechanics

    Hints and Advice

    • Make sure your fleet is prepared in all departments (Ex. Do not neglect your AV, SS, and/or AO).
    • Make sure to prepare a large amount of resources.
      • Give at least 1 month of time to start stockpiling your resources.
    • Make sure to prepare a good amount of Aircrafts with good stats, especially with large range for Land Base Aerial Support and for your Aircraft Carriers (Ex. Do not neglect your Skilled Aircraft Conversion Monthly Quests as they give good aircrafts and are excellent to use in Land Base Aerial Support).
    • Do not jump into the Event on Day 1 if you aren't a Frontliner. Wait for the Frontliners to gather/publish confirmed fleet compositions and branching rules for each Event Maps. Be patient.
      • Some Information may turn out to be false or half-confirmed so please be patient until all information are verified first.
    • Most important advice: Keep your sanity high.

    New Ships/Equipment

    • Escort Carrier (Taiyo?)
    • Foreign Battleship

    Links

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Pre-Event

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development Team is under preparation for the release of the Limited-time Operation Area for the Spring 2017 Event with the expectations to be released this Spring. For Admirals who are considering to take participation in this Event, it is recommended that you thoroughly prepare your fleet and resources to prepare for the Event. The Fleet Operation for this Spring, please look forward to it!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、【春イベント2017:期間限定海域】の今春展開を目指して、実装準備を開始しています。同作戦の参加を予定している提督の皆さん、艦隊戦力の充実と兵站の拡充に務めて頂けますと幸いです。今春の艦隊作戦展開、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    The next KanColle Maintenance & Update is scheduled for next week Wednesday April 5th. Before the incoming implementation of the Limited-Time Operation Area of Spring 2017 Event, for this update we are planning to increase the maximum Fleet slots from 320 to 330!

    次回「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートは、【4/5(水)】に実施予定です。今春作戦展開予定の「春イベント2017:期間限定海域」実装前に、同アップデートでは、艦隊母港の「艦娘」運用拡張枠も現在の320隻から最大【330隻】に拡張予定です!

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development Team is under preparation for the scheduled Update and Maintenance which will take place on April 5th Wednesday. This Update will be the final large update to take place before the next implementation of the Limited-time Operation Area of Spring 2017 Event. Admirals, thank you for your cooperation!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、【4/5(水)】実施予定の次回稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートの準備を進めています。本メンテナンスは、今春作戦展開の「春イベント2017:期間限定海域」実装前の最後の重メンテとなる予定です。ご協力、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development is under preparation for the release of the Limited-Time Operation of Spring 2017 Event. This Operation is planned to be Seldom Big "Medium-scale". For all Admirals planning to participate, please make sure to prepare good supply of resources and various fleet members. Thank you!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春投入予定の春イベント2017:期間限定海域の作戦準備を進めています。本作戦の作戦規模はやや大きい「中規模」を予定しています。作戦に参加の予定の提督の皆さん、艦隊戦力の充実と兵站の確保、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Maintenance progress Tweets

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Patch notes

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Post maintenance tweets

    Twitter Avatars

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    • i-im not sure if i should be looking at megane-Kamikaze, or the Abyssals in the banner

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      i-im not sure if i should be looking at megane-Kamikaze, or the Abyssals in the banner

      Definitely at the Megane Kamikaze WotZaonce

      Dam, if only the real Kamikaze was cute like the banner one...

      FeelsBadManAdmiralFrog
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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      i-im not sure if i should be looking at megane-Kamikaze, or the Abyssals in the banner
      Definitely at the Megane Kamikaze WotZaonce

      Dam, if only the real Kamikaze was cute like the banner one...

      FeelsBadManAdmiralFrog

      by real do you mean her original art or the original ship?


      but yea, megane kamikaze ftw. Now i just hope i can save her in the spring event.

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    • しろ wrote:

      by real do you mean her original art or the original ship?

      I was meaning the original art not the real life ship

      Dam, if only shipgirls were real tho...

      Depressed Patchouli
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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:
      しろ wrote:

      by real do you mean her original art or the original ship?

      I was meaning the original art not the real life ship

      Dam, if only shipgirls were real tho...

      Depressed Patchouli

      if they were i have a feeling many of us would be in jail by now. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      i-im not sure if i should be looking at megane-Kamikaze, or the Abyssals in the banner
      Definitely at the Megane Kamikaze WotZaonce

      Dam, if only the real Kamikaze was cute like the banner one...

      FeelsBadManAdmiralFrog

      first, gotta thank Shinhwalee for the banner. and...that megane Kamikaze. not to forget those Abyssals too.

      ...i would not have opposed the Kamikaze art in the game to be like that, too.

      and for some reason im thinking Harukaze now w/ megane~greed mode activated

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    • しろ wrote:

      if they were i have a feeling many of us would be in jail by now. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      That's the reason why I prefer a NervGear  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    • next event already.....he..he..he *glance at resources*...hehe...it's alright......i'm daijoubu 

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    • I just hope that Suzutsuki would be an featured in this event as reward.

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    • @Ar-cen-ciel 

      you not alone. i was expecting new duckie from winter. more duckies always better

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    • @Lupusregina If you thought Suzutsuki would've appeared last event, you have neglected one important thing: each of Akizuki-class so far are featured on different seasons, and Spring is the only one left. I'll put these to remind you of when each of Akizuki-class DDs are introduced:

      Akizuki - Fall 2014
      Teruzuki - Summer 2015
      Hatsuzuki - Winter 2016
      Suzutsuki? - Spring 2017?

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      @Lupusregina If you thought Suzutsuki would've appeared last event, you have neglected one important thing: each of Akizuki-class so far are featured on different seasons, and Spring is the only one left. I'll put these to remind you of when each of Akizuki-class DDs are introduced:

      Akizuki - Fall 2014
      Teruzuki - Summer 2015
      Hatsuzuki - Winter 2016
      Suzutsuki? - Spring 2017?

      yeah. i got caught in some rumours that ducky gona be in winter event

      this time i can blame you if stil no new duckie XD

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    • Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma..

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    • Copokiller wrote:
      Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma, Roma..

      Doesn't exist :v 

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    • If I remember correctly, the interview from KanColle Style Vol. 3 did mention a Type B destroyer will be released this year. 

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    • Event didn't even started yet and my RNG is broken already :D 1st sortie to 3-5 and Hoppo oneshot Ro-chan from full HP to 1. Something tells me I shouldn't even try hard mode in spring 2017 event lol.

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    • Lupusregina wrote:

      yeah. i got caught in some rumours that ducky gona be in winter event

      this time i can blame you if stil no new duckie XD
      Before you get any funny ideas, I'll have you know that I had only laid out a speculation, and speculations are no better than rumors until they're proven right by the devs. Plus, devs are not obliged to feature her in the upcoming event and could've delayed her for later events for all we know.
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      If I remember correctly, the interview from KanColle Style Vol. 3 did mention a Type B destroyer will be released this year. 


      there are the four KanColle events in a year, so it is something to look forward to (probably without much expectation? though i guess posting about it means im interested to a certain degree)

      though for now i cannot help but wonder which girl it will be...

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      If I remember correctly, the interview from KanColle Style Vol. 3 did mention a Type B destroyer will be released this year. 
      there are the four KanColle events in a year, so it is something to look forward to (probably without much expectation? though i guess posting about it means im interested to a certain degree) though for now i cannot help but wonder which girl it will be...
      Recap of IJN DD type classifications:
      • Special-type Destroyer: Fubuki-class (including Ayanami and Akatsuki subclasses)
      • Type A Destroyer: Kagerou and Yuugumo-class
      • Type B Destroyer: Akizuki-class
      • Type C Destroyer: Shimakaze-class
      • Type D Destroyer: Matsu and Tachibana-class

      I'm quite certain that it's most likely to be Suzutsuki, since she's the third ship in her class, and she's also mentioned in one of Akizuki' hourlies.
      Play
      Either way, that's certainly a reassuring news to me.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      If I remember correctly, the interview from KanColle Style Vol. 3 did mention a Type B destroyer will be released this year. 
      there are the four KanColle events in a year, so it is something to look forward to (probably without much expectation? though i guess posting about it means im interested to a certain degree) though for now i cannot help but wonder which girl it will be...
      Recap of IJN DD type classifications:
      • Special-type Destroyer: Fubuki-class (including Ayanami and Akatsuki subclasses)
      • Type A Destroyer: Kagerou and Yuugumo-class
      • Type B Destroyer: Akizuki-class
      • Type C Destroyer: Shimakaze-class
      • Type D Destroyer: Matsu and Tachibana-class

      I'm quite certain that it's most likely to be Suzutsuki, since she's the third ship in her class, and she's also mentioned in one of Akizuki' hourlies.
      Play
      Either way, that's certainly a reassuring news to me.

      mm..interesting. i can imagine Akizuki beaming just by mentioning Suzutsuki.

      though, i am also wondering about Fuyutsuki - mentioned in Teruzuki's Fall 2016 line.  two more would not hurt at some point in time. it is the Akuzuki-class anyway :D

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    • crap theres no way im ready for another event felt like yesterday i was below 100 everything and 6 buckets

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    • I need mah zukis to be able to have the complete "ten-go" fleet

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    • Still no news about Akizuki-class

      • back to the abyss
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    • Tennousu wrote:
      Still no news about Akizuki-class
      • back to the abyss

      You are better off waiting for the actual Event or somewhere close to it. 

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Tennousu wrote:
      Still no news about Akizuki-class
      • back to the abyss
      You are better off waiting for the actual Event or somewhere close to it.
      Some people just don't know how Kancolle devs manages the new shipgirl entrants.
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    • If there would be a new aki-class, I´m praying for Fuyutsuki. Long live Evangelion fleet XD

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    • I'm praying abyssals will caught some disease and tsu-class gets wiped out :P or at least don't put that many BB and Wo-kyuns on Transport route...

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    • Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
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      • The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE


      Ehh? Medium scale? Then I guess I can spend more resources at LSC for the time being.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
      C81 SMIVwAAWq9I
      • The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.

      new Yuugumo-class destroyer, huh.

      regardless of Big or Medium-scale..there can never be too much of resources till one hits the hard cap - since the presence of unpredictables means that more might be needed rather than less.  as one says, the more the merrier.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
      C81 SMIVwAAWq9I
      • The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.
      new Yuugumo-class destroyer, huh.

      regardless of Big or Medium-scale..there can never be too much of resources till one hits the hard cap - since the presence of unpredictables means that more might be needed rather than less.  as one says, the more the merrier.

      That's just Fujinami
      DD Fujinami 485 Battle
       :v
      DD Fujinami 485 Full
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
      C81 SMIVwAAWq9I
      *The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.
      new Yuugumo-class destroyer, huh.
      regardless of Big or Medium-scale..there can never be too much of resources till one hits the hard cap - since the presence of unpredictables means that more might be needed rather than less.  as one says, the more the merrier.
      That's just Fujinami
      DD Fujinami 485 Battle
       :v
      DD Fujinami 485 Full

      looks like i have been too tired of late and failed to see clearly that it was Fujinami.

      now, it is time to proceed to wait (patiently) for announcement of the new girls who will be making an appearance as drops/rewards for the upcoming Medium-scale Spring event~

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    • RIP my Large scale event hopes...

      CirSad
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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:
      RIP my Large scale event hopes...
      CirSad

      ...we can only wait and see.  hope that the ship drop/rewards can at least lift your gloom when it is announced at a time nearer to the event~~

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    • Well actually it's not just "medium", it's "a little big medium-scaled event" (やや大きい中規模) according to dev twitter.

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    • ..something like 'medium-scale event, but slightly bigger' (not sure if it is in terms of maps, or the nature of whatever operation that they have in mind though)?

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    • 1. HP bar

      2. Tp bar

      3. Hp bar

      4. TP/HP bar

      5. TP/HP bar + hidden start point + debuff + quest debuff :D

      "medium" :D

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
      C81 SMIVwAAWq9I
      *The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.
      new Yuugumo-class destroyer, huh.
      regardless of Big or Medium-scale..there can never be too much of resources till one hits the hard cap - since the presence of unpredictables means that more might be needed rather than less.  as one says, the more the merrier.
      That's just Fujinami
      DD Fujinami 485 Battle
       :v
      DD Fujinami 485 Full

      Fujinami was so underrated lol... nobody recognize her

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring Event revealed to be MEDIUM-SCALE
      C81 SMIVwAAWq9I
      • The Recent Interview with Tanaka has revealed that the Spring 2017 Event will be MEDIUM-SCALE.
      • The Event will be based on "Northern Seas", but it will NOT be Aleutian Islands (AL)
      • Many New Ships will be released this Event, Large to Small Ships.

      Talking about small ships, does it means they will added Type D DDs or CVE?

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    • People seems to forget the last time Devs said Small Event and we got a two-parter like Harry Potter. Inb4 Medium-scale = Two-parter Large Scale.

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    • Devs said Medium scale event = in reality, it's like Spring 2015 (7 maps in total)

      It's like they are hinting that at least 2 evemt maps are two maps in one.

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    • Devs being cryptic again * Sigh * They don't have balls to make a real Large-scale Event again. There is still historical battles to do AND ships to add. Yeah, must take their time, but come on, I want an Event that will left us a big impression like Summer 14, 15 and Spring 16.

      Summer 16 was too short, Last map was s**t.

      Fall 16 was... Meh, could have been more memorable if they swapped E4 and E5's difficulty

      Winter 17 was a failure

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    • Arvin30p wrote:
      Devs said Medium scale event = in reality, it's like Spring 2015 (7 maps in total)

      It's like they are hinting that at least 2 evemt maps are two maps in one.

      Spring 2015 had 6 maps. Not 7. 

      Unless you mean 2016 :v 

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    • Call me bias but I still blame Spring 2016 for their fear of doing another hard event. Summer 15 was bad because the debuff mechanic was cryptic as fuck but the other maps (despite the roadblocks) are still clearable. E-3, E-4 and E-6 are a pain but not brutally punishing.

      Spring 16....on the other hand, is first off really Land-base dependent. This makes the CLTs almost useless and most newbies must rush to get a Type 3 Shell, blocking them off early. E-3 and E-4 are decent map and E-5 is fun. However, all that shit went downhill pretty fast with E-6 and E-7. Jesus fuck....fuck those two maps. If Spring 16 consist of just E-1 to E-5 it will be a pretty good event.

      To be honest their previous few events aren't that bad. Fall 16 is actually good even with the E-4 roadblock (but that's a decent one). The hidden starting point mechanics aren't that convoluted too as you can figure it out pretty easily (yes, we did have experiences from before unlike Summer 16). Winter 16 is almost good except the hiccup at E-3 TP phase. If they tell us more clearly that Saiun will be used up faster than toilet paper then people would have prepared more.

      With their past few events, I'm still looking forward to what they will throw at us this event.

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    • E-4 Fall 2016 wasn't so fun fun for me. Light fleet to face Ru-wall or more heavy to face additionaly Wo kai :P To add salt to injury there were 2 RNG air nodes: one on 1st node and 2nd before boss. Rolling dice sure was fun, it doesn't even matter if u aaci or not cuz u can get rekt either way. On late maps in events there are usually tons of Wo kai and tsu elite which let ur graveyard for fairies grow up nicely. Wonder if it would hurt to give us any decent equipment, not only for abyssals. Saratoga from fall came with decent slots but with flying junk not planes. Latest Suzuya remodel: 1-2 BP for..... nothing. Its hard to justify BP usage. Tone and Chikuma use BP but have good equipment with them, Zara use BP but have bulge and fighter and both Suzuyas have literally nothing, and u can't swap them freely cuz BS BP cockblock.

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    • Zel-melon wrote:
      Call me bias but I still blame Spring 2016 for their fear of doing another hard event. Summer 15 was bad because the debuff mechanic was cryptic as fuck but the other maps (despite the roadblocks) are still clearable. E-3, E-4 and E-6 are a pain but not brutally punishing.

      Spring 16....on the other hand, is first off really Land-base dependent. This makes the CLTs almost useless and most newbies must rush to get a Type 3 Shell, blocking them off early. E-3 and E-4 are decent map and E-5 is fun. However, all that shit went downhill pretty fast with E-6 and E-7. Jesus fuck....fuck those two maps. If Spring 16 consist of just E-1 to E-5 it will be a pretty good event.

      To be honest their previous few events aren't that bad. Fall 16 is actually good even with the E-4 roadblock (but that's a decent one). The hidden starting point mechanics aren't that convoluted too as you can figure it out pretty easily (yes, we did have experiences from before unlike Summer 16). Winter 16 is almost good except the hiccup at E-3 TP phase. If they tell us more clearly that Saiun will be used up faster than toilet paper then people would have prepared more.

      With their past few events, I'm still looking forward to what they will throw at us this event.

      I don't know man, Spring 2016 was pretty easy for me compared to winter 2017. :<

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    • Escort Aircraft Carrier to be released in the Spring Event

      One of the New Ship Girls to be released is an aircraft carrier, who was retrofitted from a Cargo/Passenger ship, supporting the frontlines and had met her end while working as an escort Carrier for aircraft transportation.

      Aircraft Carrier Taiyou fits this description 🤔


      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/851596964638498816

      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春投入予定の春イベント2017:期間限定海域の作戦準備を鋭意進めています。本作戦には、多彩な新艦娘も実装予定です。貨客船から改装され、航空機輸送で戦線を支え、護衛空母として船団護衛中に最期を遂げた航空母艦、彼女も実装予定です。お楽しみに!

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Escort Aircraft Carrier to be released in the Spring Event

      One of the New Ship Girls to be released is an aircraft carrier, who was retrofitted from a Cargo/Passenger ship, supporting the frontlines and had met her end while working as an escort Carrier for aircraft transportation.

      Aircraft Carrier Taiyou fits this description 🤔


      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/851596964638498816

      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春投入予定の春イベント2017:期間限定海域の作戦準備を鋭意進めています。本作戦には、多彩な新艦娘も実装予定です。貨客船から改装され、航空機輸送で戦線を支え、護衛空母として船団護衛中に最期を遂げた航空母艦、彼女も実装予定です。お楽しみに!

      Yes, this is Taiyo, she has been announced in interviews years ago.

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    • im somehow guessing that Taiyō would not be in early maps like E-2 or E-3, but well, just gonna wait for more news.  almost jumped for joy (while i was outside earlier) when i saw the staff's tweet~

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      im somehow guessing that Taiyō would not be in early maps like E-2 or E-3, but well, just gonna wait for more news.  almost jumped for joy (while i was outside earlier) when i saw the staff's tweet~

      Usually the first mentioned new ship will be the reward for main OP final stage or extra OP final stage.

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    • My speculation for New Ships are:

      • 1 Foreign Ship (Another Iowa-class since she was released in 2016 Spring 1 year ago, or maybe USS Yorktown as hinted by Saratoga's Hourly Line?)
      • 1 Escort Carrier (with all the multiple hints from the past and from today's tweet, I'd honestly say it's Taiyou)
      • Hatakaze? (As per hint given by Asakaze's seasonal line)
      • Akizuki-class??? (There is a weird pattern to how the Akizuki-classes are being released since 2014 (Fall 2014: Akizuki / Summer 2015: Teruzuki / Winter 2016: Hatsuzuki / Spring 2017: ???. Tanaka had also mentioned he plans to release a Type B Destroyer in his interview.)
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      My speculation for New Ships are:
      • 1 Foreign Ship (Another Iowa-class since she was released in 2016 Spring 1 year ago, or maybe USS Yorktown as hinted by Saratoga's Hourly Line?)
      • 1 Escort Carrier (with all the multiple hints from the past and from today's tweet, I'd honestly say it's Taiyou)
      • Hatakaze? (As per hint given by Asakaze's seasonal line)
      • Akizuki-class??? (There is a weird pattern to how the Akizuki-classes are being released since 2014 (Fall 2014: Akizuki / Summer 2015: Teruzuki / Winter 2016: Hatsuzuki / Spring 2017: ???)

      Two carriers in one event? I don't think so. However, the devs mentioned that there will be large ship(s) in the event, so I think the foreign ship will have to be a big one. French BB anyone?

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      im somehow guessing that Taiyō would not be in early maps like E-2 or E-3, but well, just gonna wait for more news.  almost jumped for joy (while i was outside earlier) when i saw the staff's tweet~
      Usually the first mentioned new ship will be the reward for main OP final stage or extra OP final stage.

      mm..so it is almost like..Final Map of main or extra ops, huh. well, im never at last maps (main or EOs) to say the least, so this is an eye-opener~

      among DeathUsagi's speculation..im hoping for Akizuki-class. though again, waiting on news for the next ship that they plan to implement, until then.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      im somehow guessing that Taiyō would not be in early maps like E-2 or E-3, but well, just gonna wait for more news.  almost jumped for joy (while i was outside earlier) when i saw the staff's tweet~

      she will be like slow speed, planes less then mama houshou carrier? super trophy expedition slave ? fighter mule for maps where cv/cvl banned ?

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    • These days there are Wo kai, CV Hime and tsu-class even on transport maps. As long as she is cute i don't rly care whenever she is useful or not. If she would be slow she would loose lot of value cuz tanaka hates slow fat ships :P

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    • Lupusregina wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      im somehow guessing that Taiyō would not be in early maps like E-2 or E-3, but well, just gonna wait for more news.  almost jumped for joy (while i was outside earlier) when i saw the staff's tweet~
      she will be like slow speed, planes less then mama houshou carrier? super trophy expedition slave ? fighter mule for maps where cv/cvl banned ?

      Taiyo carries 27 planes, Hosho (historically) carries 19.

      Since the purpose of CVE is to accompany merchant fleets, I think it may have some advantage to be put with TCF.

      Also since CVEs are most oftenly engaged in anti-sub patrol and hunting, she may have some enhanced ASW stats or special engagement rules with subs.

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    • @Lupus: if CV/CVL is banned, then i think Taiyou would also be banned from that particular map right?

      @Vcharng: if CVEs are regulars in anti-sub & hunting..probably some form of equipment like Akitsu Maru's ASW liaison plane? and, coming to CVEs, probably when Taiyou combined with Hayasui = better routing for Transport fleet?

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      @Lupus: if CV/CVL is banned, then i think Taiyou would also be banned from that particular map right?

      @Vcharng: if CVEs are regulars in anti-sub & hunting..probably some form of equipment like Akitsu Maru's ASW liaison plane? and, coming to CVEs, probably when Taiyou combined with Hayasui = better routing for Transport fleet?

      it's all just big ifs and hopes that reward won't be just cute (or not if it's shitbarfu) but useless decoration to base to boost slot extention sales

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      @Lupus: if CV/CVL is banned, then i think Taiyou would also be banned from that particular map right?

      @Vcharng: if CVEs are regulars in anti-sub & hunting..probably some form of equipment like Akitsu Maru's ASW liaison plane? and, coming to CVEs, probably when Taiyou combined with Hayasui = better routing for Transport fleet?

      From what we know now CVEs will be a new kind of ship, so banning CV/CVL does not necessarily ban CVE.


      Akitsumaru's Type 3 liaison was an ARMY craft.

      Instead, those Japanese CVEs historically carried the 931st air group. Tenzan (931st) maybe?

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    • Spring 2017 Event will start in EARLY MAY

      The Spring 2017 Event is planned to start in Early May, and the Event is scheduled to last for around 20 days.

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/851960346894118912


      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春投入予定の【春イベント2017:期間限定海域】の作戦準備を進めています。本作戦の作戦開始は、来月初旬を予定しています。同作戦期間は約二十日間の予定です。本作戦参加予定の提督の皆さん、艦隊戦力と兵站の充実を、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

      Plan
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    • Sorry to burst your bubble but Taiyou was sank escorting troop convoy Hi-71 to Manila not an aircraft convoy. I think its Shin'yo. She was sank while she was transporting aircraft to a port in Singapore as part of Hi-81.

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    • 174.124.83.188 wrote:
      Sorry to burst your bubble but Taiyou was sank escorting troop convoy Hi-71 to Manila not an aircraft convoy. I think its Shin'yo. She was sank while she was transporting aircraft to a port in Singapore as part of Hi-81.

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one said she had to be sunk during an aircraft transport mission.

      The dev's words reads: "she participated in aircraft transport, and was sunk during a transport mission". they are two independent instances.

      Also Hi-81 was NOT an aircraft transport mission, it was an IJA joint op to transport troops. Shin'yo was carrying 14 Type 97 torpedo bombers for ASW patrol mission during Hi-81.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Spring 2017 Event will start in EARLY MAY

      The Spring 2017 Event is planned to start in Early May, and the Event is scheduled to last for around 20 days.

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/851960346894118912


      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春投入予定の【春イベント2017:期間限定海域】の作戦準備を進めています。本作戦の作戦開始は、来月初旬を予定しています。同作戦期間は約二十日間の予定です。本作戦参加予定の提督の皆さん、艦隊戦力と兵站の充実を、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

      Plan

      'Not enough ships and resources' is not applicable to you xD

      @Vcharng: if it will be Tenzan (931st Air Group), probably stock eqpt during Kai? also, just read up a little of Taiyo (for fun of it) on Wiki, sounds probable she might carry average luck and evasion ('each time she was repaired and put back to service' - a little bit like IJN's own little mini-Enterprise of sorts - and probably either a humble or boasting line regarding submarines where other shipgirls are more weary of)

      those American submarines on seeing Taiyo each time be like, 'notto disu shitto agen'

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
       

      those American submarines on seeing Taiyo each time be like, 'notto disu shitto agen'

      Aoba: you called? (She was presumed to be sunk 3 times before finally being forced to beach in Kure during the air raid of Kure Naval Base)

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    • Early May? I feel so lazy after hearing this. Oh well, at least there is still time to farm resources and maybe K2 some ships. Life goes on.

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    • So there gonna be one more update/maintence before event? meh. Guess i wll farm some baux cuz there gonna be ton of "fun content" in event again :D

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      174.124.83.188 wrote:
      Sorry to burst your bubble but Taiyou was sank escorting troop convoy Hi-71 to Manila not an aircraft convoy. I think its Shin'yo. She was sank while she was transporting aircraft to a port in Singapore as part of Hi-81.
      Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one said she had to be sunk during an aircraft transport mission.

      The dev's words reads: "she participated in aircraft transport, and was sunk during a transport mission". they are two independent instances.

      Also Hi-81 was NOT an aircraft transport mission, it was an IJA joint op to transport troops. Shin'yo was carrying 14 Type 97 torpedo bombers for ASW patrol mission during Hi-81.

      Re-read what the devs said. They said she met her end during an escort for an aircraft transport mission

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    • A CVE engaged in transport missions?

      Prepare spare planes for a quest that packs them into crates, esp. Type 21 fighters, as every second plane quest requires Type 21s for reasons...

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    • 174.124.83.188 wrote:

      Re-read what the devs said. They said she met her end during an escort for an aircraft transport mission

      Go and read those dev twitter IN JAPANESE, please.

      貨客船から改装され、航空機輸送で戦線を支え護衛空母として船団護衛中に最期を遂げた航空母艦

      She was converted from an ocean liner, supported the war effort with aircraft transport mission, and she ended her life as a CVE when escorting a merchant fleet.

      By the way NONE of the IJN CVEs were sunk during aircraft transport.

      Taiyo was sunk during Hi-71, the cargo was IJA soldiers and oil.

      Un'yo was sunk during Hi-74, nature of cargo unknown, but no non-combatant CVs participated.

      Chuyo was sunk during a replenish trip back to Japan, not escorting a merchant fleet at all.

      Shin'yo was sunk during Hi-81, the cargo was once again IJN troops and oilers.

      Kaiyo didn't sink at all, she survived the war (although suffering damage beyond repairs) and was scrapped post-war.

      Most aircraft transport missions took place in 1942-43, years before these CVEs sank.


      BTW, CVEs who participate in aircraft transport will have to carry those planes themselves. There's no suitable ship for carrying aircrafts besides, well, aircraft carriers. Shin'yo participated in Hi-69, where Taiyo and Kaiyo carried the planes and Shin'yo did the ASW patrol job for them.

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    • i think 174.124.83.188 was referring to the planes that landed on Shinyo for Hi-81.  Again, reading repeatedly, those planes are more for providing air cover (for Hi-81) than for transporting to Philippines to reinforce the air corps there.  So that was not an aircraft transport mission.

      hope i read that correctly.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      i think 174.124.83.188 was referring to the planes that landed on Shinyo for Hi-81.  Again, reading repeatedly, those planes are more for providing air cover (for Hi-81) than for transporting to Philippines to reinforce the air corps there.  So that was not an aircraft transport mission.

      hope i read that correctly.

      Shin'yo never actually carried planes for transport, the only time she participated in an aircraft transport mission was during Hi-69, where she covered Taiyo and Kaiyo while the two carried the planes instead, as stated above.

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    • Taiyo-class Escort Carrier confirmed for release in Spring 2017 Event

      A single small Aircraft Carrier converted from originally a line of Three Sisters of Cargo passenger ship will be released in the Spring 2017 Event.

      Although she is not powerful in her first form as an Aircraft Carrier, by receiving her next remodel, she will become a valuable asset in Anti-Submarine Warfare.

      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、春イベント2017【期間限定海域】の実装準備を両舷強速で進めています。春イベでは、貨客船三姉妹を改装した小さめの空母の一隻を実装予定です。最初の特設航空母艦の状態では非力ですが、大切に育て、改装を重ねることで対潜戦で強力な存在に成長します。

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/855601734047088642

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Although she is not powerful in her first form as an Aircraft Carrier, by receiving her next remodel, she will become a valuable asset in Anti-Submarine Warfare.


      Oh boy, someone to replace RJ in 1-5

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    • Kurokami11 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Although she is not powerful in her first form as an Aircraft Carrier, by receiving her next remodel, she will become a valuable asset in Anti-Submarine Warfare.
      Oh boy, someone to replace RJ in 1-5

      But I use Commandant Teste in 1-5 these days :v 

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Taiyo-class Escort Carrier confirmed for release in Spring 2017 Event

      A single small Aircraft Carrier converted from originally a line of Three Sisters of Cargo passenger ship will be released in the Spring 2017 Event.

      Although she is not powerful in her first form as an Aircraft Carrier, by receiving her next remodel, she will become a valuable asset in Anti-Submarine Warfare.

      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、春イベント2017【期間限定海域】の実装準備を両舷強速で進めています。春イベでは、貨客船三姉妹を改装した小さめの空母の一隻を実装予定です。最初の特設航空母艦の状態では非力ですが、大切に育て、改装を重ねることで対潜戦で強力な存在に成長します。

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/855601734047088642

      Tiny correction:

      Although she is not powerful in her first form as a "Converted Carrier", if you train her properly and give her some remodel(s), she will become a valuable asset in ASW.

      Now, Among the three sisters of ocean liners, Chyu'yo was never labeled as "converted carrier" (特設空母), so she's out of the game, only Taiyo and Un'yo is left.

      So now we can say that the new ship will be either Taiyo or Un'yo.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      But I use Commandant Teste in 1-5 these days :v 

      You go to 1-5 without saiun?

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    • Commandant Teste

      - High Cost AV

      - No Saiun

      Houshou

      - Low Cost CVL (lower than Teste)

      - Has Saiun

      - Mama

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    • Kurokami11 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:

      But I use Commandant Teste in 1-5 these days :v 

      You go to 1-5 without saiun?

      Normally I take a CVL with saiun but recently I liked taking Teste so she can leech EXP a bit and she in her own right is a great ASW AV to use. 

      And the 3x OASW ships doesn't really make the saiun matter anyway 

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Kurokami11 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Although she is not powerful in her first form as an Aircraft Carrier, by receiving her next remodel, she will become a valuable asset in Anti-Submarine Warfare.
      Oh boy, someone to replace RJ in 1-5

      But I use Commandant Teste in 1-5 these days :v 


      Ryuuhou is the way to go, with her type97(931) :v

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    • Foreign Battleship to be released in Spring 2017 Event
      Capital Battleship to also receive Kai Ni AFTER Spring 2017 Event

      http://wgforum.kr/kancolle_freeboard/7504744

      1. 2017 Spring event has 5 maps. 3 maps in the Main operation and 2 maps in the Extra operation.

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      3. A New Ship whose name originates from "North". (Unconfirmed if IJN Ship or a Foreign Ship)

      4. Type 1 fighter (Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa) will be implemented. It will be released as a Monthly Top Ranking Reward first, then will be released in the Spring event for Medium-Difficulty. You may also be able to obtain the Type 1 fighter with special squadron if you clear the Event Map on Hard mode.

      5. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      6. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers. (Doesn't seem to be Spring 2017 Event release however?)

      32da7693a2b6de556e91d70e2002c9f8 693dc5054f2bd2b8578088564f49b67c 5053783d0f96aeebb93dc7e1e9819b76
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      4. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      5. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers.

      2. New Foreign BB without glasses MiniPogChamp

      4. More Kai ni MiniKreygasm

      5. DD's are almost all loli's so we are going to see something smaller than a loli? MiniKappa

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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      4. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      5. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers.

      2. New Foreign BB without glasses MiniPogChamp

      4. More Kai ni MiniKreygasm

      5. DD's are almost all loli's so we are going to see something smaller than a loli? MiniKappa

      Hiring Toddlers into the military? NotLikeThis

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      1. 2017 Spring event has 5 maps. 3 maps in the Main operation and 2 maps in the Extra operation.

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      3. Type 1 fighter (Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa) will be implemented. It will be released as a Monthly Top Ranking Reward first, then will be released in the Spring event. We may also be able to obtain T1 fighter with special squadron if you clear the Event Map on higher difficulty.

      4. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      5. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers. (Doesn't seem to be Spring 2017 Event release however?)

      1 So will be similar to fall 2016...

      2 Oh boy, I'm totally up for another battleship as long as she doesn't obliterate her language (and she may not wear glasses, but will after getting her)

      3 Not really exited for an older plane...

      NAISU!, From my research the candidates are : Yamato, Musashi, Nagato, Ise, Graf, iowa and Shinano...

      5 I wonder, exactly what will these ships be useful for? are we getting some sort of defence mode or what?

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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:
      5. DD's are almost all loli's so we are going to see something smaller than a loli? MiniKappa
      Shipgirls at Kamikaze's apparent age (around 10) are pretty much the youngest age that could possibly be recruited into our ranks. Any younger would simply creep peoples out.
      Kurokami11 wrote:

      4 NAISU!, From my research the candidates are : Yamato, Musashi, Nagato, Ise, Graf, iowa and Shinano...

      It's most likely to be Nagato.
      Kurokami11 wrote:
      5 I wonder, exactly what will these ships be useful for? are we getting some sort of defence mode or what?
      In Kancolle Kai, we have convoys for guarding transport ships. So I'll presume that they'll act as landing craft interceptors for our air bases, among other things.
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    • Smaller than DD... oh well u can put her on Nagamon for increased morale i guess.

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    • if the Kaibokan (carrying smaller caliber arms) is a class smaller than destroyers..i do wonder if they will be effective against the Imp Packs. but well..nightmare for Abyssal subs (you hear this, Submarine Hime?)

      also..a capital battleship receiving Kai Ni, huh.  if it is Yamato going Kai Ni...i cannot imagine her going tan and megane ala Musashi and if its Musashi...i cannot imagine her turning into Yamato's fair complexion and polite manner.  that will be like a personality switch.

      but if it is Nagato, for being able to survive till THAT test..that will be interesting.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      if the Kaibokan (carrying smaller caliber arms) is a class smaller than destroyers..i do wonder if they will be effective against the Imp Packs. but well..nightmare for Abyssal subs (you hear this, Submarine Hime?)
      They'll definitely be able to shoot down PT Imps, but I'd say they're mainly there to deter landing crafts and amphibious assault ships from landing, much like how the interceptors are designed to shoot down bombers.

      They're ill-suited to fight against naval ships, though, so I seriously doubt you'll be using them in the frontline.

      On another note, there are news that Escort Carriers would be introduced in Spring 2017 Event, with the coastal defense ship after that. So it seems like they'll be implementing more "escort mechanic" this year.

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    • PunPunPunyama wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      4. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      5. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers.

      2. New Foreign BB without glasses MiniPogChamp

      4. More Kai ni MiniKreygasm

      5. DD's are almost all loli's so we are going to see something smaller than a loli? MiniKappa

      "New Foreign BB without glasses" >>> so... Roma doesn't have megane friend afterall 

      Coastal defense ship, smaller than DD >>> welp, this time they will appear as a toddler form lol XD

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    • 111.95.100.32 wrote:
      PunPunPunyama wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      4. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      5. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers.

      2. New Foreign BB without glasses MiniPogChamp

      4. More Kai ni MiniKreygasm

      5. DD's are almost all loli's so we are going to see something smaller than a loli? MiniKappa

      "New Foreign BB without glasses" >>> so... Roma doesn't have megane friend afterall 

      Coastal defense ship, smaller than DD >>> welp, this time they will appear as a toddler form lol XD

      457e6118-fa6f-4dc6-cdff-f7e16cfe0067

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      457e6118-fa6f-4dc6-cdff-f7e16cfe0067

      HQ GAVE ME THESE LITTLE GIRLS, WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO?!

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      if the Kaibokan (carrying smaller caliber arms) is a class smaller than destroyers..i do wonder if they will be effective against the Imp Packs. but well..nightmare for Abyssal subs (you hear this, Submarine Hime?)

      I think they are similar to the British Flower-class corvettes. Small, slow, cheap, great for operations in shallow waters and fighting against subs and small crafts.

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    • Kurokami11 wrote:
      HQ GAVE ME THESE LITTLE GIRLS, WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO?!
      In those cases I gave them a growth potion for all lolis in my base every time they made an inspection and frame the HQ for these "false" reports.
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    • on the Ki-43, initially they were armed with 7.7mm maching guns so they were useless.

      but later they were upgraded with twin 20mm cannons along with upgrades to the engine.

      they had insane climbing rate very high evasion and decent firepower, but fragile construction, a (upgraded) Ki-43 would be a very good interceptor versus fighters and light attack aircraft (2 20mm's arent enough against heavy bombers tho)

      statwise that should translate into mediocre AA but high evasion and ACC, also more flight range than the other interceptors.

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    • Rly wonder what use can have ship smaller and weaker than Mutsuki or Kamikaze class can do in era where we have WO-kyun, CV hime or Battleships on transport route :D

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    • 94.225.12.254 wrote:
      on the Ki-43, initially they were armed with 7.7mm maching guns so they were useless.

      but later they were upgraded with twin 20mm cannons along with upgrades to the engine.

      they had insane climbing rate very high evasion and decent firepower, but fragile construction, a (upgraded) Ki-43 would be a very good interceptor versus fighters and light attack aircraft (2 20mm's arent enough against heavy bombers tho)

      statwise that should translate into mediocre AA but high evasion and ACC, also more flight range than the other interceptors.

      Well Zeroes are using those 20mm guns as well, so that's not the point.

      The point is the 12.7mm MG used by Ki-43-II has a better effective range than the Zero's 20mm, so in dogfights 43-II would be more formidable than the Zero in medium- to long-range engagements. it also features Ma-103 explosive rounds that were so powerful that American pilots often mistake them for 20mm shells.

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    • Kurokami11 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      457e6118-fa6f-4dc6-cdff-f7e16cfe0067

      HQ GAVE ME THESE LITTLE GIRLS, WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO?!

      Raise them as a nice, kind and affectuous stepfather MiniMingLee

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      if the Kaibokan (carrying smaller caliber arms) is a class smaller than destroyers..i do wonder if they will be effective against the Imp Packs. but well..nightmare for Abyssal subs (you hear this, Submarine Hime?)
      They'll definitely be able to shoot down PT Imps, but I'd say they're mainly there to deter landing crafts and amphibious assault ships from landing, much like how the interceptors are designed to shoot down bombers.

      They're ill-suited to fight against naval ships, though, so I seriously doubt you'll be using them in the frontline.

      On another note, there are news that Escort Carriers would be introduced in Spring 2017 Event, with the coastal defense ship after that. So it seems like they'll be implementing more "escort mechanic" this year.

      escort mechanics + coastal defence..theme of World 7, probably? they brought over the LBAS to normal operations aka World 6 from events afterall.

      "ill-suited to fight naval ships", huh. wonder what devs be pulling on us when destroyer escorts are implemented.  "the more (destroyer escorts) the merrier to be effective against subs/imp packs, but detrimental to surface power. and the lesser one has, the more one is likely to struggle but enjoy stronger surface power". either that or routing.

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    • A Kaibokan, eh? I don't see the devs putting in an entirely new type of ship, especially one that ain't even a proper warship, unless it's a very notable one due to its historical exploits. However, I've got to be honest, the only "notable" Kaibokan that I can think of off the top of my head is CD-22.

      Given what CD-22 is most known for, I'm... conflicted about this possibility. If we don't get CD-22, it's a bit of a bummer but if we do...

      HARDER'S COMING!!!!

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    • 173.64.79.84 wrote:
      A Kaibokan, eh? I don't see the devs putting in an entirely new type of ship, especially one that ain't even a proper warship, unless it's a very notable one due to its historical exploits. However, I've got to be honest, the only "notable" Kaibokan that I can think of off the top of my head is CD-22.

      Given what CD-22 is most known for, I'm... conflicted about this possibility. If we don't get CD-22, it's a bit of a bummer but if we do...

      HARDER'S COMING!!!!

      Why wouldn't they pull of an entirely new type of ship? :v 

      A lot of the Auxilliary Ships are good examples of those. 

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    • ...the day when Tanaka Kensuke puts himself in as the Abyssal Salt King. he pretty much is already their teitoku.

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    • http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/51150002.html

      The new battleship is a ship that "has her name changed due to a revolution, and later changed back."

      Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (1911), a Gangut-class BB, renamed Marat in 1921, and then renamed back into Petro(omitted) in 1943.

      That's a dreadnaught though, kinda outdated you know...


      BTW Petro(omitted) is a city in Kamchatka, part of the probable event map. However, the ship was not directly named after the city, but after the siege of Petro(omitted) in 1854.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      ...the day when Tanaka Kensuke puts himself in as the Abyssal Salt King. he pretty much is already their teitoku.

      Legends say his guns fire shells made of pure salt.

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    • Foreign Battleship Hinted to be Russian Petropavlovsk Battleship

      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/51150002.html

      1. The Event Operation takes place North, but not in AL. It will be a Defense Operation in the North, that takes place after "That Battle", it is also where the Type 97 Torpedo Bombers had shown their final efforts (Motive seems to be Battle of Shumshu?)

      2. One of the New Ship Girl is one who was named after the location near the Area of Operation.

      3. The Foreign Battleship is hinted to be Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (One whose name changed after "Revolution", and then later returned...)

      001famitsu 003famitsu
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Foreign Battleship Hinted to be Russian Petropavlovsk Battleship

      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/51150002.html

      Yorokobe shonen
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Foreign Battleship Hinted to be Russian Petropavlovsk Battleship
      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/51150002.html
      Yorokobe shonen

      Goddamn Kotomine :v 

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Goddamn Kotomine :v
      I suppose that comes with being force-fed with Mapo Tofu...

      But at lest the dreams for Soviet battleships come true.

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    • VERNYI WILL HAVE A FRIEND :D
      HibikiThumbsUp

      хорошо

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    • So the confirmed/implied new ships are... a CVE and a pre-Dreadnought.

      There better be a new Duck or another foreign BB/CV in there or this Event looks like a massive wash.

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    • That Halo Teitoku wrote:
      There better be a new Duck or another foreign BB/CV in there or this Event looks like a massive wash.

      Meh, Variety makes me a happy man, tho I'd definitely take a new duck

      BONUS DUCKS!00:20

      BONUS DUCKS!

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    • so possibly we getting syrovaya russion BaByshka from north who drink buckets of pure С2Н5ОН, then following trend with warspite who was on trone, russion will sit on pech XD  and her role during WW2 was mostly floating platform firing her 12in guns

      Bb
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      173.64.79.84 wrote:
      A Kaibokan, eh? I don't see the devs putting in an entirely new type of ship, especially one that ain't even a proper warship, unless it's a very notable one due to its historical exploits. However, I've got to be honest, the only "notable" Kaibokan that I can think of off the top of my head is CD-22.

      Given what CD-22 is most known for, I'm... conflicted about this possibility. If we don't get CD-22, it's a bit of a bummer but if we do...

      HARDER'S COMING!!!!

      Why wouldn't they pull of an entirely new type of ship? :v 

      A lot of the Auxilliary Ships are good examples of those. 


      Honestly, a lot of Kaibokans were put into service during the war and I mean a lot. They're also kind of like submarines in that their names are little more than numbers and the Kancolle devs have been very picky on what subs they put in.

      Still: An ASW Hero of the Ages would be very much appreciated, especially if we have to defend Tawi-Tawi.

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    • That Halo Teitoku wrote:
      So the confirmed/implied new ships are... a CVE and a pre-Dreadnought.

      There better be a new Duck or another foreign BB/CV in there or this Event looks like a massive wash.

      Not a Pre-Dreadnought, she is a WWI dreadnought and were later modernized just like Kongo.

      Sevastopol (her sister) was modernized enough to be used as a USN premium BB in NavyFIELD, you know.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      That Halo Teitoku wrote:
      So the confirmed/implied new ships are... a CVE and a pre-Dreadnought.

      There better be a new Duck or another foreign BB/CV in there or this Event looks like a massive wash.

      Not a Pre-Dreadnought, she is a WWI dreadnought and were later modernized just like Kongo.

      Sevastopol (her sister) was modernized enough to be used as a USN premium BB in NavyFIELD, you know.

      Whoops, my bad. Still, I'm skeptical she'll be anything other the BB equivalent of Aquila: a pure Trophy Ship. To be worthwhile she'd have to come with a second remodel when introduced (seems unlikely), or have stats equal to the Kongou K2s at Kai (gross power-creep).

      It just seems like a waste to have an obscure, outdated BB when there are still well-known modern ships like Tirpitz, the King George V-class, or...basically any USN FBB that could be implemented instead.

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    • That Halo Teitoku wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      That Halo Teitoku wrote:
      So the confirmed/implied new ships are... a CVE and a pre-Dreadnought.

      There better be a new Duck or another foreign BB/CV in there or this Event looks like a massive wash.

      Not a Pre-Dreadnought, she is a WWI dreadnought and were later modernized just like Kongo.

      Sevastopol (her sister) was modernized enough to be used as a USN premium BB in NavyFIELD, you know.

      Whoops, my bad. Still, I'm skeptical she'll be anything other the BB equivalent of Aquila: a pure Trophy Ship. To be worthwhile she'd have to come with a second remodel when introduced (seems unlikely), or have stats equal to the Kongou K2s at Kai (gross power-creep).

      It just seems like a waste to have an obscure, outdated BB when there are still well-known modern ships like Tirpitz, the King George V-class, or...basically any USN FBB that could be implemented instead.

      Well we have Warspite, who boasts high fuel and ammo efficiency.

      The biggest problem of Gangut-class is that they use 12-inch guns, which means even Kongo's 14-inchers may have overweight penalties when put on them.

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    • Spring 2017 Event will start from May 2nd!
      PANIC MODE TIME!!!


      Sara not prepared for event



      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、次回稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートの鋭意準備を進めています。同メンテナンス実施は、来月初旬【5/2(火)】を予定しています。同メンテナンス&アップデートの完了を以て、「春イベント2017:期間限定海域」作戦発動です!

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/857040501664436224

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    • Shinhwalee wrote: Spring 2017 Event revealed to start on May 2nd after Maintenance on that date.

      TIME TO PANIC MODO

      現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、次回稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートの鋭意準備を進めています。同メンテナンス実施は、来月初旬【5/2(火)】を予定しています。同メンテナンス&アップデートの完了を以て、「春イベント2017:期間限定海域」作戦発動です!

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/857040501664436224

      Front-liners get to ply their craft while I'm in "PANIC MODO" for finals.

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    • しろ wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      ...the day when Tanaka Kensuke puts himself in as the Abyssal Salt King. he pretty much is already their teitoku.
      Legends say his guns fire shells made of pure salt.


      mm..would you rather the gun-caliber be 80cm triple mount, in three turrets or high-velocity 10cm guns? though, not to forget, the guns also give you either shipgirls you want/do not want.

      but, coming back to the operations..it does give a feel that various DLCs, Abyssal Artillery, Abyssal Land Demons etc will be involved.  Attacking the Abyssals, starting from preparing for the ops right down to the final map looks to be interesting.

      so..still, a bigger medium-scale event? nah. its big disguised as bigger medium-scale xD

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    • Spring 2017 Event title is "Sortie! 5th Fleet to the Northeast"
      Event will be based on Battle of Shumshu.
      Vladimir putin original and real life drawn by shibafu glock23 fa3b1224d3bac97e4fb1113d969324df

      Fifth Fleet consists of:

      • 21st Battle Squadron: Nachi, Tama, Kiso, Ashigara
      • 1st Torpedo Squadron: Abukuma, Hatsushimo, Kasumi, Ushio, Akebono, Hatsuharu, Wakaba, Shiranui, Usugumo (Fubuki Class - Not Implemented yet)
      • 31st Battle Squadron: Kaya (Matsu Class) [Not implemented yet]

      So you really should expect Historical Routing from the ships stated above.

      次回の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートを、来週【5/2(火)】に実施予定です。同メンテナンスに伴うアップデートの完了を以て、春イベント2017:期間限定海域【出撃!北東方面 第五艦隊】、いよいよ作戦発動です!

      https://twitter.com/KanColle_STAFF/status/858137030143770624

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    • Wikipedia wrote:
      and was the only major battle of the Soviet campaign in the Kuril Islands and one of the last battles of the war.
      Seems like the end is near...

      Predicted closing date : September 2 2017, exactly 4 years after its supposed closing date.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Wikipedia wrote:
      and was the only major battle of the Soviet campaign in the Kuril Islands and one of the last battles of the war.
      Seems like the end is near...

      Predicted closing date : September 2 2017, exactly 4 years after its supposed closing date.

      Dude, on that "supposed closing date", was the biggest rise in the number of admirals in KC history, calm down.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Dude, on that "supposed closing date", was the biggest rise in the number of admirals in KC history, calm down.
      It's just a wild guess I made on the spot because of how they seems to be running out of historical events, and it should be taken wih nothing more than a grain of salt.

      That said, I don't think I could keep working as an active Admiral past that date...

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:
      Dude, on that "supposed closing date", was the biggest rise in the number of admirals in KC history, calm down.
      It's just a wild guess I made on the spot because of how they seems to be running out of historical events, and it should be taken wih nothing more than a grain of salt.

      That said, I don't think I could keep working as an active Admiral past that date...

      You know, I'm not even sure if this one is historcally based. 

      The battle of Shamshu took place on a currently disputed land, and for a group of devs who are sensitive enough to not implement Kamikazes and Kaitens, I doubt if they will make Shamshu an event.


      And we still have the whole damn Atlantic Campign, in fact many in Japan thought that this one will be Dunkirk or something.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      It's just a wild guess I made on the spot because of how they seems to be running out of historical events, and it should be taken wih nothing more than a grain of salt.

      They gave planned-but-not-realized planes, planned-but-the-ships-sunk-first remodels, what-ifs operations, what's stopping them?

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    • Tennousu wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      It's just a wild guess I made on the spot because of how they seems to be running out of historical events, and it should be taken wih nothing more than a grain of salt.
      They gave planned-but-not-realized planes, planned-but-the-ships-sunk-first remodels, what-ifs operations, what's stopping them?

      And they just spent tons of cash on budget airline collaborations and live event in Taiwan (the first outside Japan), doesn't look like they will be out anytime soon.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Tennousu wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      It's just a wild guess I made on the spot because of how they seems to be running out of historical events, and it should be taken wih nothing more than a grain of salt.
      They gave planned-but-not-realized planes, planned-but-the-ships-sunk-first remodels, what-ifs operations, what's stopping them?

      And they just spent tons of cash on budget airline collaborations and live event in Taiwan (the first outside Japan), doesn't look like they will be out anytime soon.

      Well, that's good to know.
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    • Also do not forget Kancolle Arcade. If that thing is not profitable, I'll eat my M43 field cap.

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    • Possible Candidates of the 5th Fleet for Historical Routing
      The following ships are possible candidates required to be used for the Historical/Exclusive Routing

      DISCLAIMER: These are just historical facts and is not confirmed they will actually all be required for this Event. Please wait until the Frontliners on May 2nd to verify which of the ships listed are actually required.

      1st Generation Fifth Fleet

      CA Myoukou 062 Battle CL Nagara 021 Battle CL Tenryuu 051 Battle CL Tatsuta 052 Battle CL Yuubari 115 Battle
      DD Shimakaze 050 Battle DD Kikuzuki 030 Battle DD Mikazuki 007 Battle DD Mochizuki 031 Battle

      2nd Generation Fifth Fleet

      CA Nachi 063 Battle CL Tama 100 Battle CL Kiso 101 Battle CL Abukuma 114 Battle DD Asagumo 413 Battle
      DD Yamagumo 414 Battle DD Hatsuharu 038 Battle DD Hatsushimo 041 Battle DD Wakaba 040 Battle CA Ashigara 064 Battle
      DD Akebono 015 Battle DD Ushio 016 Battle DD Kasumi 049 Battle DD Shiranui 018 Battle CL Isuzu 022 Battle
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    • On the longetivity of Kancolle, Tanaka himself has stated he's surprised it's been running this long. The Kancolle machine has been running too strong to end within just four years, and I'm sure it'll run at least two more years, easy. "Oh, we're out of IJN-based historical events? Well, that was bound to happen eventually, but that's OK, we've introduced German, Italian, American and Russian ships to base events around for years..."

      More importantly, I feel the actual game's appeal has been waning. The same old 4 year old game mechanics, the ramping up of power creep that ends up alienating new players. That'll be something the devs will really have to deal with in the next year or two. 

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    • ...the more salt that there is for Tanaka the more fuel there is-

      positive or negative comments about the game actually means that the game receives attention.  gotta give it to them for not implementing the kamikaze or kaiten stuff, too.  while i did not join during the AL/MI event (but i subsequently have seen how the veterans in here constantly remember the 'memory' that is that event), i do hope that at some point they pull off something like that again. i think that will breed another batch of players with 'memories' that will spur them on to keep going or even surpass~what is AL/MI for you folks might also turn out to be 'AL/MI' for the newer ones (including myself, since i joined after the anime series).

      that said, with Abyssals being the souls of sunken ships with plenty of hatred being able to appear anywhere, there (still) is plenty of work to be done, at least for the girls.

      TL;DR = cherish and treasure for now what the devs throw: salt, mechanics, buffs, nerfs.  there is no telling what might happen, but its also part of the fun of being an Admiral.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Foreign Battleship to be released in Spring 2017 Event
      Capital Battleship to also receive Kai Ni AFTER Spring 2017 Event

      http://wgforum.kr/kancolle_freeboard/7504744

      1. 2017 Spring event has 5 maps. 3 maps in the Main operation and 2 maps in the Extra operation.

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      3. A New Ship whose name originates from "North". (Unconfirmed if IJN Ship or a Foreign Ship)

      4. Type 1 fighter (Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa) will be implemented. It will be released as a Monthly Top Ranking Reward first, then will be released in the Spring event for Medium-Difficulty. You may also be able to obtain the Type 1 fighter with special squadron if you clear the Event Map on Hard mode.

      5. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      6. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers. (Doesn't seem to be Spring 2017 Event release however?)

      32da7693a2b6de556e91d70e2002c9f8 693dc5054f2bd2b8578088564f49b67c 5053783d0f96aeebb93dc7e1e9819b76

      regarding Kaibokans: as there is no equivalent US hull classification for their kind, but have the same tasks assigned to destroyer escorts, should we contemplate on using "DE" as kaibokan abbreviation in the wiki? (I'm open to suggestions on using "PF" or "FF")

      regarding the (possibly) Russian BB: it's most likely Petropavlovsk due to the hints regarding her name, and not her sister and class nameship Gangut as some might possibly speculate (who was renamed Oktyabrskaya Revolutsya, and hence has "Revolution" in her name)

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    • Dreddz wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Foreign Battleship to be released in Spring 2017 Event
      Capital Battleship to also receive Kai Ni AFTER Spring 2017 Event
      http://wgforum.kr/kancolle_freeboard/7504744

      1. 2017 Spring event has 5 maps. 3 maps in the Main operation and 2 maps in the Extra operation.

      2. A New Foreign battleship. (She does not wear glasses :v )

      3. A New Ship whose name originates from "North". (Unconfirmed if IJN Ship or a Foreign Ship)

      4. Type 1 fighter (Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa) will be implemented. It will be released as a Monthly Top Ranking Reward first, then will be released in the Spring event for Medium-Difficulty. You may also be able to obtain the Type 1 fighter with special squadron if you clear the Event Map on Hard mode.

      5. A Capital Battleship will be receiving her Kai Ni AFTER the Spring 2017 Event.

      6. The implementation of Kaibokan (Also known as coastal defense ship), a ship class that is smaller than destroyers. (Doesn't seem to be Spring 2017 Event release however?)

      32da7693a2b6de556e91d70e2002c9f8 693dc5054f2bd2b8578088564f49b67c 5053783d0f96aeebb93dc7e1e9819b76
      regarding Kaibokans: as there is no equivalent US hull classification for their kind, but have the same tasks assigned to destroyer escorts, should we contemplate on using "DE" as kaibokan abbreviation in the wiki? (I'm open to suggestions on using "PF" or "FF")

      regarding the (possibly) Russian BB: it's most likely Petropavlovsk due to the hints regarding her name, and not her sister and class nameship Gangut as some might possibly speculate (who was renamed Oktyabrskaya Revolutsya, and hence has "Revolution" in her name)

      I suggest PF or PG, as PF is "Frigate, in a role similar to World War II Commonwealth corvette", and we know that those Kaiboukans are quite similar in role to those British Flower-class corvettes. If the Flower-class are introduced in the future, it is likely that they will be put under this classification as well.

      However, when the flower-class was introduced into USN, they classified it into PG, patrol gunboat.


      Or maybe we can just come up with our own symbol and use P, it's not gonna be confused with someone else anyway.

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    • 春イベント2017:期間限定海域【出撃!北東方面 第五艦隊】、その前段作戦は三作戦海域で構成されます。同作戦を全攻略突破することで、貨客船三姉妹を改装した小さめの空母一隻が艦隊に合流します!彼女は最初は非力な特設航空母艦ですが、頼もしい対潜護衛空母へと成長していきます。

      The first stage of the Spring Event 2017 "Sortie! Northeastern 5th fleet" cosists of three maps. By clearing the first stage, a small aircraft carrier who was one of the three sisters converted from liners will be rewarded. She begins as a weak converted carrier, but she will become a trustworthy ASW escort carrier.

      Taiyo (confirmed by other interview) is confirmed to be E-3 reward, Russian BB probably E5 reward anyone?

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    • "she will become a trustworthy ASW escort carrier" - I guess poor SS Hime will not have a break in future events seeing how last ss were turned into BB :D

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    • ss hime abuse intensified. just one more push and raging masohime will be born XD


      like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDOdo7LkhQ (maybe PunPunPunyama can edit this into ss hime)

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    • Lupusregina wrote:
      ss hime abuse intensified. just one more push and raging masohime will be born XD


      like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDOdo7LkhQ (maybe PunPunPunyama can edit this into ss hime)

      CirLuL





      Lol, sure is funny but i don't know if it will fit well with SS Hime-chan... Maybe i'll do something about it later in the event... Not 100% tho... Thinking Admiral Emoji

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    • if the Kaibokan work similar to DDs, I'd say DE would be fine, but if they are significantly different, PF/FF might be better, to set them apart.

      I'm interested in seeing what the English on the Kandex card in-game will be...

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    • Swordweaver wrote:
      if the Kaibokan work similar to DDs, I'd say DE would be fine, but if they are significantly different, PF/FF might be better, to set them apart.

      I'm interested in seeing what the English on the Kandex card in-game will be...

      If you are referring to the sprite in KC library, it is "Escort ship". The sprite already exists in the game files.

      http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Easter_Eggs#Unimplemented_features

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    • Kaibokan won't be coming this event anyway...

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    • Looks like the kaibokan will be..a drop

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    • Qunow wrote:
      Kaibokan won't be coming this event anyway...

      Original JP tweet from 37 minutes ago:

      メンテナンス状況:メンテナンス作業実施中です。 現在「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス作業実施中です。現在のところ、作業は順調に進捗しています。今季の春イベ2017では、今晩作戦が開始される「前段作戦」において、新たに【海防艦】との邂逅も可能となります。

      they explicitly said "chance to meet a kaibokan in the operations".

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    • Qunow posted that a solid hour before the tweet

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    • so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,

      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.
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    • Qunow wrote:
      so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,
      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.

      I don't suggest DE or DDE, they should be reserved in case Matsu-class is an independent category.


      BTW the current official twitter avatar seems to show the supply ship Kamoi (神威) who later became a seaplane carrier.

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    • So weird how the magazine interviews stated the Kaibokan is going to come out AFTER Event then they just release it in Event.

      What. 

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Qunow wrote:
      so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,
      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.

      I don't suggest DE or DDE, they should be reserved in case Matsu-class is an independent category.


      BTW the current official twitter avatar seems to show the supply ship Kamoi (神威) who later became a seaplane carrier.

      Matsu Class will be no different from existing destroyers in term of class... officially it isn't even class ii destroyer, it's class i....

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    • Qunow wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Qunow wrote:
      so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,
      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.
      I don't suggest DE or DDE, they should be reserved in case Matsu-class is an independent category.


      BTW the current official twitter avatar seems to show the supply ship Kamoi (神威) who later became a seaplane carrier.

      Matsu Class will be no different from existing destroyers in term of class... officially it isn't even class ii destroyer, it's class i....

      You know, the devs of KC don't always follow real-life classifications... Just in case, alright?

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    • Even if they do release a Class II DD like Wakatake Class and categorize them differently, we can still come up with some code depend on how are they naming that categories, and that class ii dd would still be a destroyer not destroyer escort, so they won't be de.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      So weird how the magazine interviews stated the Kaibokan is going to come out AFTER Event then they just release it in Event.

      What. 

      i was just going through their update tweet, sounds like they just confirmed the quantity of kaibokan kanmusumes.

      and also..the standard maintenance overshot~

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    • Qunow wrote:
      Even if they do release a Class II DD like Wakatake Class and categorize them differently, we can still come up with some code depend on how are they naming that categories, and that class ii dd would still be a destroyer not destroyer escort, so they won't be de.

      Er, I've seen a number of British/American sources classifying Matsu and Class II DDs as DEs.

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      So weird how the magazine interviews stated the Kaibokan is going to come out AFTER Event then they just release it in Event.

      What. 

      i was just going through their update tweet, sounds like they just confirmed the quantity of kaibokan kanmusumes.

      and also..the standard maintenance overshot~

      Nah, it's the number of total new ships in this event:6.

      One PF, one Russian BB, Taiyo, Kamoi, and two others.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      So weird how the magazine interviews stated the Kaibokan is going to come out AFTER Event then they just release it in Event.

      What. 

      i was just going through their update tweet, sounds like they just confirmed the quantity of kaibokan kanmusumes.

      and also..the standard maintenance overshot~

      Nah, it's the number of total new ships in this event:6.

      One PF, one Russian BB, Taiyo, Kamoi, and two others.

      thanks for that clarification~

      so i go into this event knowing that there is a possibility to add six new ships to my fleet. though, for the price of Tanaka's favourite: Marken Salz.

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    • praying for new duck

      but if e5 reward will be bb then duck will be drop most likely. with 6 new ships it seems ton of farming is ahead

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    • Potato servers

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    • ...10 more minutes, i think. well, time for me to go lie down and probably receive my girls back from their expeditions tomorrow.  now, if only i can put in le Kaga meme, 'Time to sleep'

      though, as a side note it is interesting to see how the followers of the KanColle Staff are accomodating and stuff towards that extension, only to see one of the followers drop in a non-gracious comment to the tweet. tsk, tsk (i doubt poster of that ungracious comment is Japanese).

      Edit: good that the maintenance is complete ^^

      All the best, fellow teitokus

      Thank you in advance, frontliners!

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    • Kaibokan have even lower fuel/ammo costs than Mutsuki/Kamikaze class DDs, but has zero torpedo stats...

      However, they do have a deadly weapon... just not to the Abyssal Fleet or other shipgirls, for they literally fits the definition of kawaii.

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    • New ships

      Kasuga Maru /Taiyo (CVE)

      Gangut / October Revolution (don't know how to spell that in Russian)/ Gangut Dva (Kai Ni) (New ship category: Battlecruiser)

      Shimushu (PF)

      Kunashiri (PF)

      Etorofu (PF)

      Kamoi (Supply ship/ Supply ship with AV capability?)

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Kaibokan have even lower fuel/ammo costs than Mutsuki/Kamikaze class DDs, but has zero torpedo stats...

      So expedition slaves?

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    • New Abyssals : CVE Princess

      http://acgspace.wsfun.com/kancolle/src/1493737692557.jpg

      This event has FOUR ship-lock tags.

      Gangut CG:

      http://acgspace.wsfun.com/kancolle/src/1493738538997.png

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    • Kurokami11 wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Kaibokan have even lower fuel/ammo costs than Mutsuki/Kamikaze class DDs, but has zero torpedo stats...
      So expedition slaves?
      Exactly. And you couldn't even train them in 1-1 until they're Level 60 or so, because they're so terribly ill-equipped to even fight destroyers.

      They might have the Isuzu's "always perform preemptive ASW" going on with lower ASW requirements or sth, but Type D destroyers are far better equipped for that.

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    • It is currently possible to drop Yamashiro KAI NI due to a bug.

      https://twitter.com/search?q=%E5%B1%B1%E5%9F%8E%E6%94%B9%E4%BA%8C&src=typd

      The devs said that they will not retrieve the already dropped ships, but it will be corrected..


      Edit: the bug has been fixed

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    • @VCharng the new escort carrier is classed as CVL in game no ragardless of remodel status

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    • Qunow wrote:
      @VCharng the new escort carrier is classed as CVL in game no ragardless of remodel status

      Yes, it's officially CVL, with CVE functionalities (from Taiyo Kai CG it seems it could equip depth charges and sonars)

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    • Qunow wrote:
      so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,
      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.

      DDE is the worst possible option, it refers to fleet destroyers refitted after the war for ASW. I'd suggest to use PF. It also matches Taiwanese post-war practice.

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    • Three destroyer escorts, a CVE classed as a CVL (possibly due to the trouble of having to modify the game files library to fit in a new hull classification), an AO who is also an AV, and a Russian BB

      For once, no new destroyers (which breaks event tradition, but jossed as we have instead destroyer escorts)

      And I feel like the devs reneged on their word on the BB coz they said "a BB who reverted to her old name" and Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya NEVER reverted to her Imperial Russian name of Gangut.

      and yeah, DDE is wholly incorrect given the historical reasons.

      P.S. issue of note:

      When will the editing restrictions on the Spring '17 event page be lifted to allow autoconfirmed users like us to edit? It's slow to update on new info that are sorely needed by other players, especially if only the admins can update it without us having to put much-needed tips ourselves like fleet compos and node encounters.

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    • Hyper Shinchan wrote:
      Qunow wrote:
      so kaibokan is actually coming this event.... for further reference regarding discussion about kaibokan,
      1. In Thread:206780, the naming and code for kaibokan was already briefly discussed.
      2. In Module:Formatting page, the code PF is currently used to represent kaibokoan
      3. Both yuyuvn's and yuubari's KCV used DE for kaibokan, while both KC3kai and poi browser used DDE for kaibokan.
      DDE is the worst possible option, it refers to fleet destroyers refitted after the war for ASW. I'd suggest to use PF. It also matches Taiwanese post-war practice.

      Wait, you're a Taiwanese, too?

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    • The Russian battleship is most likely to be HMS Royal Sovereign, which was transferred to the Russian navy by the RN and was returned at the end of the war, reverting back to HMS Royal Sovereign before being scrapped.

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    • USSSealionSS315 wrote:
      The Russian battleship is most likely to be HMS Royal Sovereign, which was transferred to the Russian navy by the RN and was returned at the end of the war, reverting back to HMS Royal Sovereign before being scrapped.

      No, it is already confirmed to be Gangut. Royal Sovereign was ruled out almost a week ago, when reports stated that the Russian BB is someone who changed her name due to the revolution and then changed back.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      USSSealionSS315 wrote:
      The Russian battleship is most likely to be HMS Royal Sovereign, which was transferred to the Russian navy by the RN and was returned at the end of the war, reverting back to HMS Royal Sovereign before being scrapped.
      No, it is already confirmed to be Gangut. Royal Sovereign was ruled out almost a week ago, when reports stated that the Russian BB is someone who changed her name due to the revolution and then changed back.

      Was she actually renamed Gangut again? I've tried to look for it, but haven't found anything about a second rename after October Revolution.

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    • Japanese wikipedia have mentioned the renaming back although there are no reference just like regular japanese wikipedia article...

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    • Qunow wrote:
      Japanese wikipedia have mentioned the renaming back although there are no reference just like regular japanese wikipedia article...

      Check the Russian Wikipedia. Or any (credible) Russian site that expounds on the history of their navy.

      But mostly, the blurry details regarding her name are ultimately on the secretive and sometimes-contradictory Soviet navy records.

      P.S. Though the tabs for E-1 to E-3 are now free to be edited by us confirmados, the rest of the page isn't. What happened to the old system where you leave a week for edits by autoconfirmados and admins? Why not make that permanent protocol for events?

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    • Dreddz wrote:
      P.S. Though the tabs for E-1 to E-3 are now free to be edited by us confirmados, the rest of the page isn't. What happened to the old system where you leave a week for edits by autoconfirmados and admins? Why not make that permanent protocol for events?
      It's because there were trolls posing as confirmed users spamming "gachigasm" all over the page, which we cannot effectively block with existing locks. We could've blocked them as they came, but they still have backup accounts (either that or they're outright spamming new account) at the ready for further trolling.
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      • Well, what I meant is that there are such information floating around. Whether such information is credible or not is another question. (Although I wish when people doing research especially for commercial purpose they would look further than Wikipedia.... which lead to yet another question, which is how far does this information spread...
      • The measure currently being taken in this event is due to some vandalization efforts committed by accounts that are already autoconfirmed and appears to be coordinated during the early hours after the event opening.
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Dreddz wrote:
      P.S. Though the tabs for E-1 to E-3 are now free to be edited by us confirmados, the rest of the page isn't. What happened to the old system where you leave a week for edits by autoconfirmados and admins? Why not make that permanent protocol for events?
      It's because there were trolls posing as confirmed users spamming "gachigasm" all over the page, which we cannot effectively block with existing locks. We could've blocked them as they came, but they still have backup accounts (either that or they're outright spamming new account) at the ready for further trolling.

      It is unfortunate that they had to resort to clever tactics to do harm, tactics that tarnish the reputation of the autoconfirmados, and it is unfortunate that you had to resort to such measures to keep the page in check.

      But I hope this will be only a preventive measure, and supposed to be for the first week, or for the whole event proper, and not for succeeding events because I have seen how restrictions are slowly being applied on editing, and I'm against it. (I should know, I've been a Wikian for five years and dropping by here since 2014)

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    • Vcharng wrote: Wait, you're a Taiwanese, too?

      Nope, I'm Italian.  I don't speak Chinese either, but that website is a mine of data when it comes to the postwar career of the IJN ships that served in the Chinese navies, using automatic translators I can try to get a rough idea.

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    • Hyper Shinchan wrote:
      Vcharng wrote: Wait, you're a Taiwanese, too?
      Nope, I'm Italian.  I don't speak Chinese either, but that website is a mine of data when it comes to the postwar career of the IJN ships that served in the Chinese navies, using automatic translators I can try to get a rough idea.

      Well next time if you are trying to understand something written in Chinese, just remember you can always come to me. I'm sure I'm better than automatic translation...

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    • Dreddz wrote: It is unfortunate that they had to resort to clever tactics to do harm, tactics that tarnish the reputation of the autoconfirmados, and it is unfortunate that you had to resort to such measures to keep the page in check.

      But I hope this will be only a preventive measure, and supposed to be for the first week, or for the whole event proper, and not for succeeding events because I have seen how restrictions are slowly being applied on editing, and I'm against it. (I should know, I've been a Wikian for five years and dropping by here since 2014)

      While it is unlikely for administrators of the wiki to restrict editing down to moderator only as moderators can't do all jobs in the wiki, there're discussions about the possibility of asking new editors make an account before making any edits, as that would allow more effective and direct communication with new editors via message walls which is not possible to do with ip editors. The reason why such proposal is not enforced now is that some administrator concerned about the procedure of registering an account, although being as simple as it get, could still be too much for some new contributors and could potentially turned away some new editors.

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    • So an update regarding the ship classification. The Kaiboukan has now been renamed from PF to DE.

      The Kaiboukan were designed by the japanese to function as Destroyer Escorts in the first place, why the hell would we rename them now to PF instead? Also, I've never heard of a WW2 patrol boat being able to equip up to 3x 12cm naval guns.

      Anyway, this decision is final, unless people can provide me a very good reason why we should use a different classification instead of DE, which makes the most logical sense in general.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:

      The Kaiboukan were designed by the japanese to function as Destroyer Escorts in the first place, why the hell would we rename them now to PF instead?

      Yeah, that's what English wikipedia says, it cannot be wrong. But the kaibokan were designed even before a single destroyer escort had been built and, just like Shimushu's introduction says, they were actually (fishery) patrol ships in the first place. They were supposed to work as escorts (and theoretically minesweepers too), but what is the difference between "functioning as a destroyer escort" and "functioning as a patrol frigate"? Also destroyer escort is informally used in literature, including works by renowned authors like Hans Lengerer, in reference to the Matsu and Tachibana class, at the minimum you're making matters confusing, at worst we could end up with two overlapping types, I think this point had been brought up by  Vcharng  above, but I suppose it's worth pointing it out again.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      So an update regarding the ship classification. The Kaiboukan has now been renamed from PF to DE.

      The Kaiboukan were designed by the japanese to function as Destroyer Escorts in the first place, why the hell would we rename them now to PF instead? Also, I've never heard of a WW2 patrol boat being able to equip up to 3x 12cm naval guns.

      Anyway, this decision is final, unless people can provide me a very good reason why we should use a different classification instead of DE, which makes the most logical sense in general.

      I thought we have listed a thousand reasons why DE is wrong and PF is right earlier in this thread?

      Japanese DEs are Matsu-class, dude, although it was never officially called as such (DE is known as 2nd-grade DD in IJN terminology, Matsu is 1st-grade), Kaibokans serve as the same role as British Flower-class corvettes, which is PF in USN hull symbol. What's more, post-war Taiwanese Navy (Republic of China Navy) received some Kaiboukans, and they are known as PFs in their classification, like Kaiboukan #107 becoming PF-74 Chao-An in ROCN and others.

      Your reason for DE was probably that single sentence in Wikipedia stating that Kaiboukan is similar to American DEs, but they are NOT. American DEs generally weigh 1200~1600 tons, that's 50~100% bigger than those Kaiboukans (700~860t), they have torpedoes, while Kaiboukans, by definition, don't.

      Flower-class (Temptress-class in USN) corvettes have one 4-inch (approximately 10 cm) gun, why not three? because IJN ships tend to have heavier firepower than their USN/RN counterparts, as they don't have to take crew confortability into account (unlike USN/RN who have to sail for very long distances due to having lots of colonies, IJN don't have such a concern). For example, you can compare Myoko-class CA with York-class, that's ten 8-inch guns versus six.


      Edit: A further clarification about Flower-class and Temptress-class.

      Temptress-class corvettes are known as PG (patrol gunboat) in USN, but USN do have a symbol which states "frigate similar to commonwealth corvette", which is PF.

      So, you have not seen a patrol boat having three 12cm guns, but how about a frigate or corvette? Now all the things make sense, look:

      Kaiboukan is British Corvette (Flower-class), which is also American Frigate (PF), but Flower-class became known as PG in American service.

      British Frigate is American Destroyer Escort (DE), which is also Japanese Matsu-class (I later found out that Japanese 2nd-grade DDs are much smaller than American DEs, leaving the best Japanese counterpart for American DEs to be Matsu-class. Japanese 2nd and 3rd-rate DDs should probably be classified as frigates instead.)

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Tsubakura wrote:
      So an update regarding the ship classification. The Kaiboukan has now been renamed from PF to DE.

      The Kaiboukan were designed by the japanese to function as Destroyer Escorts in the first place, why the hell would we rename them now to PF instead? Also, I've never heard of a WW2 patrol boat being able to equip up to 3x 12cm naval guns.

      Anyway, this decision is final, unless people can provide me a very good reason why we should use a different classification instead of DE, which makes the most logical sense in general.

      I thought we have listed a thousand reasons why DE is wrong and PF is right earlier in this thread?

      Japanese DEs are Matsu-class, dude, although it was never officially called as such (DE is known as 2nd-grade DD in IJN terminology, Matsu is 1st-grade), Kaibokans serve as the same role as British Flower-class corvettes, which is PF in USN hull symbol. What's more, post-war Taiwanese Navy (Republic of China Navy) received some Kaiboukans, and they are known as PFs in their classification, like Kaiboukan #107 becoming PF-74 Chao-An in ROCN and others.

      Your reason for DE was probably that single sentence in Wikipedia stating that Kaiboukan is similar to American DEs, but they are NOT. American DEs generally weigh 1200~1600 tons, that's 50~100% bigger than those Kaiboukans (700~860t), they have torpedoes, while Kaiboukans, by definition, don't.

      Flower-class (Temptress-class in USN) corvettes have one 4-inch (approximately 10 cm) gun, why not three? because IJN ships tend to have heavier firepower than their USN/RN counterparts, as they don't have to take crew confortability into account (unlike USN/RN who have to sail for very long distances due to having lots of colonies, IJN don't have such a concern). For example, you can compare Myoko-class CA with York-class, that's ten 8-inch guns versus six.


      Edit: A further clarification about Flower-class and Temptress-class.

      Temptress-class corvettes are known as PG (patrol gunboat) in USN, but USN do have a symbol which states "frigate similar to commonwealth corvette", which is PF.

      So, you have not seen a patrol boat having three 12cm guns, but how about a frigate or corvette? Now all the things make sense, look:

      Kaiboukan is British Corvette (Flower-class), which is also American Frigate (PF), but Flower-class became known as PG in American service.

      British Frigate is American Destroyer Escort (DE), which is also Japanese Matsu-class (I later found out that Japanese 2nd-grade DDs are much smaller than American DEs, leaving the best Japanese counterpart for American DEs to be Matsu-class. Japanese 2nd and 3rd-rate DDs should probably be classified as frigates instead.)

      This is a solid argument.

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    • It is a solid argument, but then we have to deal with the next problem. The main issue is that everyone else has adapted DE, while we decided to stick out like a sore thumb and name it PF instead. Even if we are historically correct by naming it PF instead, we will be creating an inconsistency with the others . What would other think if they see DE on KC3, enkcwiki and Poiviewer, while wikia is the only one being inconsistent with the others?

      For now, I will have to enlist your help into providing clarifications why PF is correct and DE isn't. I'll see what I can do about convincing the others.

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    • Well, the code in KC3Kai is also not set yet and could be changed if others decided to use something else, and enkcwiki have not given any abbreviation for the ship class yet. And as I said above, poiviewer is currently using DDE, which is neither DE nor PF. As such, the code DE have still yet to reach the status that "everyone's using them" so there are still space to operate.

      However, outside those tools, most of the discussions I have seen surrounding kaibokans seems to be adopting the code DE pretty quickly, which is also something to be considered.

      p.s. another argument for DE I have seen elsewhere is that devs call them escort and thus it might be better to base on what devs are naming them instead of reclassifying them into frigate.

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    • Qunow wrote:
      p.s. another argument for DE I have seen elsewhere is that devs call them escort and thus it might be better to base on what devs are naming them instead of reclassifying them into frigate.

      The devs aren't calling them "destroyer escorts" and limitedly to the WWII context frigates ARE escorts.


      EDIT: Frigates remained escorts even after WWII in Europe and elsewhere, while the USN changed the meaning of the term into ships somewhere between destroyers and cruisers (coded DL, destroyer leader) until the 1975 reclassification, which re-introduced the frigate as an escort ship but with the hull code changed to FF.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      It is a solid argument, but then we have to deal with the next problem. The main issue is that everyone else has adapted DE, while we decided to stick out like a sore thumb and name it PF instead. Even if we are historically correct by naming it PF instead, we will be creating an inconsistency with the others . What would other think if they see DE on KC3, enkcwiki and Poiviewer, while wikia is the only one being inconsistent with the others?

      For now, I will have to enlist your help into providing clarifications why PF is correct and DE isn't. I'll see what I can do about convincing the others.

      Let me remind you that KC community is also the only one in English-speaking world to use Kana spelling instead of Hepburn-style romaji. For example KC says "Operation Ten-Gou" while the rest of the world says "Ten-Go"; we say "Houshou" while it's usually "Hosho".

      Another small story: the wikipedia entry for Operation Hoku-go is still wrongfully titled "Operation Kita" to this date (the wrong way of pronouncing the kanji "北").

      Let's try not to afraid to be different, as long as we know it's right to do so. If it is clarifications and explainations of why using PF that you need, just copy what I stated above and post it where those DE/DDE supporters are visiting.

      I'll give you a re-organized version in case it is preferred to have one:

      Why not DE/DDE:

      1. DE usually has torpedos, of the 5 DE classes the USN commissioned during WWII, 4 of them have torpedoes, while Kaiboukan in IJN don't, what's more, in KC they are DEFINED not to have one.

      2. DEs are usually 1500~2000 tons full load, while Kaiboukans are 740~860 tons, much closer to frigates and corvettes.

      3. When American DEs and kaiboukans appeared in the same navy (ROCN/ Taiwanese navy), they are classified differently. DEs became frigates (USS Decker, DE-47 >>>> ROCS Tai Ping, F-22), while kaiboukans became PF (IJN Kaiboukan #40 >>> ROCN Cheng An, PF-72)


      Why PF/PG:

      1. Kaiboukans are much closer in role and design to British Flower-class corvette, which received the classification symbol of PG in USN service.

      2. Japanese Kaiboukans received PF classification when given to ROCN (Taiwanese navy) after the war.

      3. The definition of PF is a frigate that "plays a role similar to RN corvettes", which includes the Flower-class. And the Flower-class corvettes are very similar to the Japanese kaiboukans.


      if people can't accept PF anyway or insist to follow the devs closely, we may very well use E for escort, it is nearly impossible to be wrong...or KB for KaiBoukan. Remember: the proper USN classification for battlecruisers is CC, but everyone uses BC instead. If we can't find a USN symbol that everyone agrees, we may very well come up with our own, just like what we did with CAV and BBV. And we will not be the only ones, the mobile game "Atlantic Fleet" also forged the term HK for German "auxilliary cruisers" or Hilfskreuzers.

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    • Yeah, I have just talked to some historians over this.

      But basically, here's their following arguments why DE should be chosen:

      • Classifying them as PF because they're called Kaiboukan is silly, since they were used as escort ships as well. The intended role of the IJN ships doesn't mean much when classifying them, since the IJN used battleships as tankers, submarines as troop transports and destroyers as supply ships.
      • One of the argument is that DE carried torpedoes, while the Kaiboukan doesn't. By that logic, the Evart-class DE should be a PF, even though the USN has classified them as a DE. In fact, the Shimushu actually have a better range than the Evart-class ships.
        • Another argument is mainly that the industry of US is way better than the Japanese, which allows the US to outfit their DEs with torpedoes.
      • The River-class frigates, which are basically USN PFs, were also classified as DEs, due to them not being used for coastal duties.

      Seems like I can't do much, until these points are cleared up.

      UPDATE: I have received undeniable proof that they are referred to as PF according to the following 1945 USN Reference Manual. This seems to be case closed now, I will revert everything back to PF and push the conclusion to the other places.

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    • Praise the Olympus Gods, we should have thought about USN intelligence...

      For the record, the Rivers were classified as PF in the USN. The related Tacoma class was still classified PF and the classification was retained by Japan for the frigates that they received from the US (e.g. PF-6 Pasco after returning from the USSR became PF-283 Kashi in the JMSDF).

      EDIT:

      Vcharng wrote: I later found out that Japanese 2nd-grade DDs are much smaller than American DEs, leaving the best Japanese counterpart for American DEs to be Matsu-class. Japanese 2nd and 3rd-rate DDs should probably be classified as frigates instead.)

      That intelligence publication uses ODD, which turns out to be an actual designation for obsolete destroyers introduced in 1920 together with other related designations (OBM, OCA, OCL, etc.).

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      Yeah, I have just talked to some historians over this.

      But basically, here's their following arguments why DE should be chosen:

      • Classifying them as PF because they're called Kaiboukan is silly, since they were used as escort ships as well. The intended role of the IJN ships doesn't mean much when classifying them, since the IJN used battleships as tankers, submarines as troop transports and destroyers as supply ships.
      • One of the argument is that DE carried torpedoes, while the Kaiboukan doesn't. By that logic, the Evart-class DE should be a PF, even though the USN has classified them as a DE. In fact, the Shimushu actually have a better range than the Evart-class ships.
        • Another argument is mainly that the industry of US is way better than the Japanese, which allows the US to outfit their DEs with torpedoes.
      • The River-class frigates, which are basically USN PFs, were also classified as DEs, due to them not being used for coastal duties.

      Seems like I can't do much, until these points are cleared up.

      UPDATE: I have received undeniable proof that they are referred to as PF according to the following 1945 USN Reference Manual. This seems to be case closed now, I will revert everything back to PF and push the conclusion to the other places.

      Although it's closed, I still find some of the points entertaining:

      1."By that logic, the Evart-class DE should be a PF"

      Yes, that's the only class of the five USN DE classes to not have a torpedo. We don't classify Zara-class as BB just because they don't have torpedoes, do we? There will ALWAYS be exceptions. However, for a Japanese ship to be classified as DD, or any variations of DD, a torpedo is a must. Being classified as a Japanese DD means that she will be able to join a "Torpedo Squadron", and you want to join one without torpedoes?

      2. "The intended role of the IJN ships doesn't mean much when classifying them,"

      Then why "Kaiboukan=DE because their intended role is similar"?

      3. "the IJN used battleships as tankers, submarines as troop transports and destroyers as supply ships."

      And the USN used an aircraft carrier as a power plant, but no one is argueing that Lexington-class is not a carrier. Inteded role, my friend, INTENDED. The Japanese definitely didn't build Ise-class specificly for tanker use, did they? 

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    • Either way, it seems like the misclassification is already done, since がか have already refactored the PF to DEs under Tsubakura's orders. Worse yet, they're now explicitly classified as destroyer escorts when they clearly cannot perform the tasks of the Destroyer squadrons.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote: Either way, it seems like the misclassification is already done, since がか have already refactored the PF to DEs under Tsubakura's orders. Worse yet, they're now explicitly classified as destroyer escorts when they clearly cannot perform the tasks of the Destroyer squadrons.

      It's always one way or the other and that can be reverted.. and I don't think the term destroyer escort have any implication on their ability of performing tasks of destroyer squadron.

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    • so, PF?

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    • Qunow wrote:

      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:

      Either way, it seems like the misclassification is already done, since がか have already refactored the PF to DEs under Tsubakura's orders. Worse yet, they're now explicitly classified as destroyer escorts when they clearly cannot perform the tasks of the Destroyer squadrons.
      It's always one way or the other and that can be reverted.. and I don't think the term destroyer escort have any implication on their ability of performing tasks of destroyer squadron.
      For USN, maybe. But destroyers brings a whole new meaning in IJN, for reasons as Vchrang stated above. That, and I've heard of reports about them unable to replace destroyers for expedition tasks, and even without it I've already had my doubts in their ability to replace true destroyers in Tokyo Express.

      Also, with ckwng gone, がか is the one who know the Lua system from top-to-bottom now, and even he stated that the refactoring would've broken things up. so I wouldn't try my hands on undoing this one.

      Qunow wrote:

      so, PF?

      That's the closest class they could fulfill with their role and specifications, so yeah, they're patrol frigates for all practical purposes.
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote: Either way, it seems like the misclassification is already done, since がか have already refactored the PF to DEs under Tsubakura's orders. Worse yet, they're now explicitly classified as destroyer escorts when they clearly cannot perform the tasks of the Destroyer squadrons.

      I thought we finally persuaded Tsubakura last night?

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      I thought we finally persuaded Tsubakura last night?
      We did, but this is after Tsubakura went ahead and ordered the sole maintainer of our ship database system to change the coastal defense ship class to DE in Discord, where there is practically zero opposition for the change. When he said the change is final, that's what he was talking about.

      It's easy to undo that change, except that they're in Lua modules and only he knows the whole system well enough to be sure, so we'll have to wait for him to revert it. That said, maybe you could've overturned this faster if you were on our Discord channel. If you aren't invited to our Wikia Discord channel, lemme know your Discord username and I'll send you an invite.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:
      I thought we finally persuaded Tsubakura last night?
      We did, but this is after Tsubakura went ahead and ordered the sole maintainer of our ship database system to change the coastal defense ship class to DE in Discord, where there is practically zero opposition for the change. When he said the change is final, that's what he was talking about.

      Maybe you could've overturned this faster if you were on our Discord channel. Lemme know your discord username and I'll send you an invite.

      As far as I remember, it's the same as my id in here. I haven't been on discord since the end of kc kai translation program, but for this matter I may just hang around there for a while.

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    • The matter is more throughly discussed in history channel of kancolle server thought. btw, to change the ship class code in wikia, from what I am aware of, it is only needed to:

      • Edit Module:Formatting and change it into new code.
      • Rename pictures of all ships in the ship class to start with the new code
      • Create new redirect for the new code
      • And, search for any instances that the old code was in use and change them for new code.

      Only the first step is lua related, but doing so would immediately changed all pictures name in templates and thus image files would need to be moved too or else images of those ships would not shown up wherever those templates are used.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:
      I thought we finally persuaded Tsubakura last night?
      We did, but this is after Tsubakura went ahead and ordered the sole maintainer of our ship database system to change the coastal defense ship class to DE in Discord, where there is practically zero opposition for the change. When he said the change is final, that's what he was talking about.

      It's easy to undo that change, except that they're in Lua modules and only he knows the whole system well enough to be sure, so we'll have to wait for him to revert it. That said, maybe you could've overturned this faster if you were on our Discord channel. If you aren't invited to our Wikia Discord channel, lemme know your Discord username and I'll send you an invite.


      The worry is unnecessary. When I had renamed the assets to DE, I have left redirects behind just in case something like this would have happened anyway. All the relevant pages should display as PF and Coastal Defense Ship now.

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    • Qunow wrote:

      btw, to change the ship class code in wikia, from what I am aware of, it is only needed to:

      • Edit Module:Formatting and change it into new code.
      • Rename pictures of all ships in the ship class to start with the new code
      • Create new redirect for the new code
      • And, search for any instances that the old code was in use and change them for new code.
      Only the first step is lua related, but doing so would immediately changed all pictures name in templates and thus image files would need to be moved too or else images of those ships would not shown up wherever those templates are used.
      Oh, I see. Then I could've done it myself in the other Wikia under my administration, which is currently undergoing Lua implementation. I still couldn't refactor it myself though, since I'm not a content moderator here.
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    • With a little search, I am indeed seeing most of the pages showing PF.

      However, this one:

      http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_destroyer_escorts_by_upgraded_maximum_stats

      is still DE and destroyer escort.

      the page of "List of Coastal Defense ships" (PF) still don't exist.

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    • That one is actually a page that was created after I've enforced the changes to DE. I'll check on it when I get back home.

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    • Changed that

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    • I hope the historians are still there, since this topic has been contested on other communities yet again. I am no historian when it comes to this, I only choose the answer which is the most correct out of the 2. The primary goal is to get a consensus as to what classification they should be given across all platforms, to remain consistency. Until that's achieved, this debate will continue.

      Anyway, we have the following arguments going around:

      • Based on some analysis, it is concluded that this came from an intelligence exchange with the British. As the USN actually had delivered the Evart-class to the Royal Navy, in which they quickly were re-designated as Frigates, it is in no way a proof that PF is the only correct option out of the 2.
      • The USN themselves never used Frigates for operational practices. While they did built them, they were rarely used in practice as the USN view them as inferior to the DE and DD they currently have posession. As the Kaiboukan were basically used the same way as the USN DE during the WW2 era, the USN would classify them as DE. Of course it would make no sense at all if we applied Japan logic (a DE with no torpedo capabilities is unheard of when thinking about the IJN doctrine), but that is irrelevant as we're trying to use USN classifications right now.
      • There are no firm rules in classifying when looking at the displacement of a ship, besides smaller than the bigger class and bigger than the smaller class. The ships are generally classified by the role they are assigned with.

      Can you guys help me on clarifying them?

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    • I'd be curious to read more about this "analysis" of the intelligence exchange with the British, anyway even the postwar naval intelligence report, the famous US Naval Technical Mission to Japan, used PF in reference to the kaibokan (pg.40 and following),

      USNTMJ-200H-0602-0659 Report S-03 pg41








      Never mind that PF avoids the overlapping between kaibokan and Matsu class and never mind that Taiwan used PF postwar, while using DE for the actuall destroyer escorts received from the USN, do we also have to ignore what the USN actually used when referring to the kaibokan because someone think that the actual USN classification should have been different?


      EDIT: PF was still used in reference to kaibokan in 1965, as seen in this CIA cable listing Chinese (PRC) warships.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      I hope the historians are still there, since this topic has been contested on other communities yet again. I am no historian when it comes to this, I only choose the answer which is the most correct out of the 2. The primary goal is to get a consensus as to what classification they should be given across all platforms, to remain consistency. Until that's achieved, this debate will continue.

      Anyway, we have the following arguments going around:

      • Based on some analysis, it is concluded that this came from an intelligence exchange with the British. As the USN actually had delivered the Evart-class to the Royal Navy, in which they quickly were re-designated as Frigates, it is in no way a proof that PF is the only correct option out of the 2.
      • The USN themselves never used Frigates for operational practices. While they did built them, they were rarely used in practice as the USN view them as inferior to the DE and DD they currently have posession. As the Kaiboukan were basically used the same way as the USN DE during the WW2 era, the USN would classify them as DE. Of course it would make no sense at all if we applied Japan logic (a DE with no torpedo capabilities is unheard of when thinking about the IJN doctrine), but that is irrelevant as we're trying to use USN classifications right now.
      • There are no firm rules in classifying when looking at the displacement of a ship, besides smaller than the bigger class and bigger than the smaller class. The ships are generally classified by the role they are assigned with.

      Can you guys help me on clarifying them?

      1. Yes, DE (USN) = Frigate (RN), but we are talking about Gunboat (USN)=corvette (RN) = Kaiboukan (IJN) here.

      2. The USN was never brought to their coastal waters, so the "coastal defense" was never put to use. As for convoy, you guys are stating that "USN uses DE for convoy escort, IJN uses Kaiboukan for convoy escort, therefore DE=kaiboukan" but this is not always true. Convoy escort of the USN may very well be different from that of IJN. For example, the leader of a group of DDs in IJN is a CL, but for RN it's "flotilla leader (Scott-class DD)". Why? Because for the RN, range matters, and a CL is hence defined to be a long range combat vessel, why wasting one of those just to lead a group of short-ranged DDs? However, that's not the case for the IJN, therefore they used CLs to fulfill the same role. No one's gonna state that Japanese CLs before Agano-class are DDs or that Scott-class flotilla leaders are CLs, right?

      Oh and BTW, if you insist that we talk about the ships' intended use, the Shimushu-class was built to tackle fishing disputes between Japan and USSR, not for convoy escort at all. They used them for escort just because they don't have much choice, but this is NOT their intended role.

      3. Does displacement matters? When you're facing a nasty thing known as a Naval Treaty, it does. It defines ship category by gun calibers and displacements. You can see that the intended role for CLs are very different between USN, RN and IJN, but they are nonetheless all CLs. 


      BTW, do you know that the Kaiboukans are exempt from the London Naval Treaty? That's something the DE's can never achieve.

      London Naval Treaty, Article 8:

      The following vessels are exempt from limitation:

      (b) naval surface combatant vessels exceeding 600 tons (610 metric tons) , but not exceeding 2,000 tons (2,032 metric tons) standard displacement, provided they have none of the following characteristics:

      (1) mount a gun above 6.1-inch (155 mm.) calibre;  (Shimushu was 12cm, and don't think about Etorofu, she was launched after London Treaty expired)

      (2) mount more than four guns above 3-inch (76 mm.) calibre; (Shimushu has 3)

      (3) are designed or fitted to launch torpedoes; (Shimushu has none)

      (4) are designed for a speed greater than twenty knots. (Shimushu was 19.7)

      Even the USS Evarts (Launched December 1942, before London Treaty expires) is too fast (21kt) for this definition. In other words, the Kaiboukans are defined "not-a-DD" by the London Naval Treaty.

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    • would 'PCE' be feasible? as in for Patrol Escort? the earlier suggested term of PF also stands for Patrol Escort or Frigate. got the PCE thing from here

      'E' would be simplest, but it seems that "...used them for escort just because they don't have much choice" + "not their intended role" seems to be the sticking point.

      though the cards themselves just come with the classification 'Escort'

      also, searched for the term 'Patrol Escort' on Google (probably not that helpful), but the search result returned kaibokan as one of them~

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    • TTK TiongHwi wrote:
      would 'PCE' be feasible? as in for Patrol Escort? the earlier suggested term of PF also stands for Patrol Escort or Frigate. got the PCE thing from here

      'E' would be simplest, but it seems that "...used them for escort just because they don't have much choice" + "not their intended role" seems to be the sticking point.

      though the cards themselves just come with the classification 'Escort'

      also, searched for the term 'Patrol Escort' on Google (probably not that helpful), but the search result returned kaibokan as one of them~

      I think PCE stands for Patrol, Coastal, Escort. It would probably be even smaller ships, but otherwise it sounds like a choice as well.

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    • So ehr, I had a certain associate in enkcwiki help me solve this issue, who also had an associate that worked at the NHHC. Basically, we were provided this article and the Kaiboukan were labeled as Escorts. While PF, Kaiboukan and DE are Escorts, it does not mean that the Kaiboukan are either DE or PF. This debate was actually discussed pretty well among the NHHC and if that is the conclusion they come up with, I am willing to agree on this matter. It's basically a case closed that both are wrong, ironically even though I kept switching back and forth. I sure as hell don't plan on opposing the NHHC's decision.

      The provided suggestion from them is as you might have guessed, just an E. But we all know full well how we cant use that, so have decided to come up with 2 alternatives:

      • EV (Escort Vessel)
      • ES (Escort Ship)

      From the interview Tanaka provided, we will be getting more of these ships in the future and since each and every one of them can be classified as Escorts, I think this is the safest option. In case any of you are interested, the poll is here.

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    • And people is completely making up yet another abbreviation when it was actually pointed out in this very thread that there was an approximation that was historically used by the same service that used that abbreviation system that we're pretending to use, saying that I'm astonished is an euphemism. Of course neither option is completely accurate, but from that point of view even a Japanese light cruiser isn't the same as an American one, Japanese light cruisers remained through to the end destroyer squadron flagships, is this enough reason to stop using the CL abbreivation? Nothing of this makes any sense to me, seriously.

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    • I actually have thought this through before making this decision.

      • Basically, DE, PF and the Kaiboukan are all used as Escorts. But that does not mean that Kaiboukans are accurately the same as DE or PF.
      • What if foreign escorts are introduced later on? I have checked the API codes and the Kaiboukan are given the API value of 1, while there are no other APIs that remotely even hint PF or DE. Tanaka himself already has hinted heavily in his interview that there will be more escort ships coming in the future. If the american DEs gets introduced, are we still going to insist on calling them PFs as well? Just assigning them Escorts instead would just solve the current and all the future potential problems.
      • Everyone agrees that simply calling them Escort is the best solution, because you can never be wrong. The original suggestion given by the NHHC is to designate them as E, but lets face it, I can give you one simple example out of the many that its just going to become a gateway for more confusion. Hence the decision to now make up our own designation, which is EV, ES or EE.
      • Why are CL called CL here? Simple, because they are named Light Cruisers in their card. For the same reason, we decide to name the Kaiboukan Escorts, because their cards neither say Frigate nor Destroyer. I wouldn't had cared if that was the only thing, but with the current circumstances taken into account, Escort is the most correct option. And since there are no specific classifications for Escorts in general, who is stopping us from inventing our own one to suit our needs? We already had done so with classifications like BBV, CAV, CLT and even FBB anyway.
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    • Everyone who? Escort is as correct as calling them "ship", it's correct because it's generic, even a destroyer is an escort if you don't add further qualifications like "convoy escort", "fleet escort", etc. I for one will keep calling them kaibokan, there's no exact equivalent, just like "sloop" isn't translated in Italian.


      Sure,  they are named Light Cruisers because it's written on their card, meanwhile everyone and his cat say seaplane tender while the card says seaplane carrier and they use AV when the abbreviation for seaplane carriers was CVS. This community has always been exceptionally careful about these details.

      And at least when people made up those abbreviations there was no known abbreviation actually used in the USN.


      EDIT: For the record, AV is actually correct now in reference to Akitsushima, she was a tender, not a carrier. Will you make up another generic abbreviation that will accomodate both typologies?

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      • What if foreign escorts are introduced later on? I have checked the API codes and the Kaiboukan are given the API value of 1, while there are no other APIs that remotely even hint PF or DE. Tanaka himself already has hinted heavily in his interview that there will be more escort ships coming in the future. If the american DEs gets introduced, are we still going to insist on calling them PFs as well? Just assigning them Escorts instead would just solve the current and all the future potential problems.

      Kaiboukans are currently defined as being unable to carry torpedoes (this has been confirmed even before their introduction). So even if the American DEs are introduced, they will NOT fall under the category of Kaiboukans, but instead be categorized as DDs. The only nearly possible candidate for foreign Kaiboukans are the Flower-class corvettes, which is yet another reason to call them PFs, as PF is defined to be "frigates which are similar to commonwealth corvettes".

      Seriously, your problem is that you stubbernly insist that Kaiboukans are similar to DEs (that's why you still compare them together even now), but this is very far away from being true.

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    • Vcharng wrote: Seriously, your problem is that you stubbernly insist that Kaiboukans are similar to DEs (that's why you still compare them together even now), but this is very far away from being true.

      Probably you're wasting your efforts pointing that out, he's not even listening any more. This is the kind of community where choices concerning everyone are decided behind closed doors and then we have a travesty of poll where you can pick between three identical options.

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